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Vundo Draxon
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| caoimhin wrote: | | Slumberjack wrote: |
...Capitalist society’s fiction of nurturing family life.
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What the hell is this supposed to mean? |
That the modern right portrays capitalism as family-friendly, yet many (especially traditional religious old-school conservatives) believe that capitalism is bad because it tends to encourage women to work instead of stay home with the kids.
This thread was kind of about capitalism before Slumberjack came and derailed it with all that stuff about literacy. This was about how some kids with a little bit of entrepreneurial spirit thwarted the School division that tried to emulate a nanny-state. There is also a deeper discussion about how nutrition is affected by economic class, though I would argue that we'd have to use a modern definition of class, which really means wealth. The Marxist division of classes is really irrelevant to whether or not a kid's parents can afford decent food.
And yes, nutrition is fundamentally different than literacy when it comes to the rich and the poor. Books are available for free. Food isn't. Furthermore, the food that is really good for you is often more expensive than the crap food. Some healthier choices can be had on the cheap (on a per meal basis), but sometimes that requires additional knowledge, time/energy, and to be purchased in larger quantities. That higher immediate cost makes Rotten Ronnie's seem like a better deal. This can make it bloody difficult for some parents to send their kids to school with a good lunch. I think banning junk food from schools is a heavy-handed and ineffective way to address this, as Schioler and Daerden so masterfully demonstrated. |
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caoimhin
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Vundo Draxon wrote: |
| caoimhin wrote: | | Slumberjack wrote: |
...Capitalist society’s fiction of nurturing family life.
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What the hell is this supposed to mean? |
That the modern right portrays capitalism as family-friendly, yet many (especially traditional religious old-school conservatives) believe that capitalism is bad because it tends to encourage women to work instead of stay home with the kids.
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Thanks, Vundo.
I suspected as much. It still strikes me as an odd and narrow view to argue given the subject matter.
I have yet to have a bad experience with junk food so...I'm on the fence with whether or not it should be available at some school.
It does spoil a good meal, though. |
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al-Qa'bong
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Location: A monistic vulgarity in which nobility and wisdom have been exchanged for a pale belief in progress
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| Quote: | | That the modern right portrays capitalism as family-friendly... |
The right has been doing this since capitalism's infancy. Read some of the contemporary reports about children's working conditions in Lancashire cotton mills during the 1830s and 40s. Crawling around under power looms was called delightful play, while the benefits of inhaling cotton fibres in carding rooms was lauded, as chewing on cotton was said to dull hunger pangs.
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Slumberjack
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In my defence, a slight derailment from the topic of capitalism and schooling with something as far out on a limb from the discussion as literacy...which I've barely addressed...juxtaposed against an utterly disingenuous misrepresentation for effect regarding women in the workplace...doesn't seem all that bad by comparison. It's as though an entire page where the spectre of blame for warehoused school kids not keeping up to speed with their studies, as the result of lazy parenting in what we can only surmise as the 'you know who' communities, were skipped over by a couple of johnny come latelys to the discussion, in a rush to steer the conversation back to the scourge of contraband coca-cola in school lunch boxes.
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