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| The violence in NHL hockey and more importantly the gravity of the resulting injuries are become much worse. Career ending violent acts must stop. Players who cause such grievous injuries should be banned from hockey, since the current remedies are not working. |
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| Quote: | | I wonder why "European hockey" and women's hockey don't have the same prevalence of brawling as US-Canadian style hockey... |
But that's just it; there isn't any "prevalence" of brawling in Canadian hockey. You're criticising something that hasn't been a real problem since the 70s.
| Quote: | | ...and more importantly the gravity of the resulting injuries are become much worse |
That's because today you have football players playing hockey. I read somehere that in 1952 the average height of an NHL player was 5' 11'', and the average weight was 170-180 lb.
Today's NHL players are bigger, stronger and faster than they were 10-20 years ago. The basic laws of physics dictate that they'll cause more damage when they collide.
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Oh, then this thread -- and the whole wider debate -- is about nothing?
How very Seinfeld-ian.
I maintain that it "hasn't been a real problem since the 70s" only for those who endorse and support it. The rest of us have either totally or almost given up on the game. Thank goodness for the Olympics (and sometimes the playoffs), 'coz I don't have a satellite that will pull in European tee vee.
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Fighting is a problem in hockey and that is why the NHL is talking about it and every sports show right now is discussing it including HNIC. But, this thread is about violence in the sport more generally. I suppose Steve Moore was not hurt in a fight per se, he was just sucker punched. It is hard to say he was fighting when he did not see it coming. Some even suggested he was hurt because his head hit the ice and other players fell on him. I also suppose Ted Green, Donald Brashear, and Ryan Hollweg were not in fights either.
The sport needs to change and I think it is finally changing. The days of guys like Semenko are almost over. When the NHL (or alternatively the courts) deal with violence in hockey properly, there will be no need for so-called "enforcers".
| Quote: | | It's part of hockey. If you don't like it, watch cricket. |
I don't like the Iraq war, violence in the streets, or bullying in schools either. Watching cricket does not seem to be a very helpful solution to these problems. In order to be more civil and progressive, we should try to eliminate these things rather than just tell people to ignore them. |
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Everything is fine up until two, when you engage in a whole lot of conjecture about wounds festering, and all that. One could easily say that things are allowed to cool out and therefore less injuries occur because of hot-headed spur of the moment retaliation in the heat of the moment.
What I am really trying to get at is there is no hard and fast rule about human reactions in this kind of situation, some people get angry in the instant, but then forget about it amost instantaneously, other fester, and never forget.
In short, Bertuzzi could have "overplayed" his hand at anytime.
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| Quote: | What could have prevented this?
*Moore could have been suspended by the league for the hit on Naslund.
*Like I said, no instigator rule would have settled things right away.
*Colorado's coach should not have put Moore on the ice in a game that was already won given that he was already being chased all over the ice.
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Frankly, I have always had a measure of sympathy for Bertuzzi because others should have been nailed as well. First, the Moore hit on Naslund WAS a cheap shot. I don't care how the ref interpreted it. I say Moore intended to injure him (maybe legally) and that his elbow hit Naslund's head. I suppose I could hit a pedestrian legally with my car if I did not see them crossing the street because they were not in the crosswalk. The refs fucked up seriously when they just let this go. Everyone and anyone who can even spell hockey (except for Bettman) knew payback was in the works after a star player is nailed like this. I don't think Naslund has ever been the same after that hit btw.
Second, the Avs coach (was it Granato?) should be kicked in the head for ever having Moore out on the ice against Vancouver. You would think after a bounty had been publicly issued (even if it was just a joke hehe), he might have got the hint. Everyone knew this was coming. The fact that dickhead Bettman attended the game in order to send a message for restraint demonstrates that is true. He was ignorant enough about the game to actually think his presence would make a difference.  |
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| Quote: | | What I am really trying to get at is there is no hard and fast rule about human reactions in this kind of situation, some people get angry in the instant, but then forget about it amost instantaneously, other fester, and never forget. |
Does this not suggest that human behaviour is random though? How could people have known (as they all did) that payback was coming?
| Quote: | | In short, Bertuzzi could have "overplayed" his hand at anytime. |
I do not think I understand this. Clarification? |
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| Quote: | | Moore hit on Naslund WAS a cheap shot. I don't care how the ref interpreted it. |
From what I remember of the replay of that hit (they don't show it over and over the way they show Bertootsi's hit or the aeroplanes flying into the World Trade Centre) Naslund ducked just as he was about to be checked.
To me the hit to the head looked accidental. Had Naslund stood up and just taken the hit, none of the rest would have happened.
Does anyone have stats that compare players being killed in various sports? I remember when Bill Masterton hit his head on the ice (a mishap that could happen to anyone slipping on a sidewalk) a CFL player dying as a result of a game injury, a diver who cracked his skull, and various race-car drivers who have been killed on the track (not to mention all the racehorses), but haven't seen any hard Facts.
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| Quote: | | but haven't seen any hard Facts. |
According to Mark Moore, the NHL does not keep records on injuries and this alone is quite telling. |
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| al-Qa'bong wrote: | | Quote: | | Moore hit on Naslund WAS a cheap shot. I don't care how the ref interpreted it. |
From what I remember of the replay of that hit (they don't show it over and over the way they show Bertootsi's hit or the aeroplanes flying into the World Trade Centre) Naslund ducked just as he was about to be checked.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=634nSML35AE
In the spectrum of dirty hits, it wasn't nearly as bad as Canuck fans will have you believe. Naslund ducked/fell away from Moore. Moore leaned toward Naslund to try to make contact and certainly did make contact with his head. It was an elbowing minor, maybe a major (because there was injury).
Regardless, we're blaming the victim now? The Bertuzzi attack was a week following the Naslund hit and after Moore "followed the code" by fighting Brad May.
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| Quote: | | Regardless, we're blaming the victim now? The Bertuzzi attack was a week following the Naslund hit and after Moore "followed the code" by fighting Brad May. |
I guess I do not think any one player is entirely responsible for their stupid acts when there exists an entire subculture of violence that rewards such behaviour. The Lindros hit above was probably the worst hit I have ever witnessed and it is considered perfectly clean. Rather than send troops to Afghanistan, we should just invite the Taliban to play hockey against us.
| Quote: | | In the spectrum of dirty hits, it wasn't nearly as bad as Canuck fans will have you believe. |
 Eeek! Note to all Enmassers. The above quote does not suggest in any way that I am a Canuck fan. The Canucks suck. Calgary all the way! Yeah baby yeah! |
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| Quote: | | In the spectrum of dirty hits, it wasn't nearly as bad as Canuck fans will have you believe. |
Eeek! Note to all Enmassers. The above quote does not suggest in any way that I am a Canuck fan. The Canucks suck. Calgary all the way! Yeah baby yeah! |
Just relax and accept your inner Canuck fan...
Anyway, I wasn't necessarily suggesting you were a Canuck fan. At some of the hockey boards I lurk at, the Canuck fans come out in force to defend Bertuzzi by saying Moore deserved to be drawn and quartered for his hit on Naslund. I just don't think it was that bad.
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| Quote: | Just relax and accept your inner Canuck fan...
Anyway, I wasn't necessarily suggesting you were a Canuck fan. At some of the hockey boards I lurk at, the Canuck fans come out in force to defend Bertuzzi by saying Moore deserved to be drawn and quartered for his hit on Naslund. I just don't think it was that bad. |
Oh, I would never think that you could say such a dastardly thing about me like that. I was just afraid others might not see that. |
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Oh, boy, F.Codger... you're really asking for it now!
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Hey, I could have called him an Oilers fan! 
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| F.Codger wrote: | | Hey, I could have called him an Oilers fan! |
Thank goodness we have representation from Alberta! Northern Alberta doesn't count.
Actually, you gotta give credit to Oiler's fans for showing even when their team has not exactly put forth a great performance. |
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You mean they're mimicking Leafs fans?
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I firmly believe that the leaf fan syndrome is a virtue, and other cities are just jealous.
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Yeah, I wish Bob Cole would call Canucks games more often.
"And Mats Naslund passes off to one of the Sundin twins." |
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| Quote: | | Note to all Enmassers. The above quote does not suggest in any way that I am a Canuck fan. The Canucks suck. Calgary all the way! Yeah baby yeah! |
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| Quote: | | Regardless, we're blaming the victim now? The Bertuzzi attack was a week following the Naslund hit and after Moore "followed the code" by fighting Brad May. |
When you consider that Canucks fans know hockey like Phoenix fans know hockey, it all makes sense.
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| Funny the same thing could be said about Leafs, or Flames fans. What's up with paying to use the washroom in the ACC, or bringing thunder sticks to the game at the Saddledome? If I was a fan of either team, I wouldn't do either. Both actions are embarrassing. Although to be fair I guess one would need to drink a lot to be able to stand watching the Leafs. And Calgarians are the most American of Canadians so... |
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Bettman: Fighting is part of hockey.
Note: I'm not posting this in order to show Gary Bettman as a scholar on the basics of hockey. Just some news relevant to the thread topic.
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| Quote: | | In order to be more civil and progressive, we should try to eliminate these things rather than just tell people to ignore them |
I doubt if any of us old-schoolers would condone concussion-inducing elbows to the head or WWF Bertootsi pile-drivers, but these incidents aren't as common or prevalent as they're being made out to be. They do happen, but to eliminate the conditions that may lead to them, such as body-checking, playing with hockey sticks and those nasty little pucks made of hard rubber, and a playing surface that is made of ice and surrounded by boards, and you'll have a different game.
Hockey's hockey, and the threat of violence is one of the reasons why it's exciting both to play and to watch. If you change it you have something else.
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| al-Qa'bong wrote: | | Quote: | | In order to be more civil and progressive, we should try to eliminate these things rather than just tell people to ignore them |
I doubt if any of us old-schoolers would condone concussion-inducing elbows to the head or WWF Bertootsi pile-drivers, but these incidents aren't as common or prevalent as they're being made out to be. They do happen, but to eliminate the conditions that may lead to them, such as body-checking, playing with hockey sticks and those nasty little pucks made of hard rubber, and a playing surface that is made of ice and surrounded by boards, and you'll have a different game.
Hockey's hockey, and the threat of violence is one of the reasons why it's exciting both to play and to watch. If you change it you have something else. |
Here here. I think this is the first time I've agreed with everything Al-Q has said in one post. 
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Well fork you, and you'd better keep your head up from now on.
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Best way to avoid an injury. Look both ways before going cross ice.
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| Quote: | | What's up with paying to use the washroom in the ACC |
I haven't paid to use the washroom at the ACC during a Leafs game this season and last one I went to I was in the cheap seats the day before Valentine's Day. But then again, maybe your Stanely Cup free fanhood need to make silly digs. Call us when you win a Cup, i.e. one Cup, one time m'kay? |
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Ya i was wondering about that. I've been to four Leafs games and a Raps game so far this year and have not been asked to pay to take a piss.
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| Hmm, maybe that was just a proposal then. I remember a few commentators mentioning that on a sports show. |
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Well, we have hockey. Greece has just suspended ALL kinds of team sports for two weeks after a fan was killed in a clash among supporters before a women's volleyball game.
| Quote: | ... Sixteen were arrested in connection with the riot and charged with murder and six other felonies.
Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis ordered the two-week suspension, which covers soccer, basketball, volleyball and other sports, and will last until April 13. The clubs involved in the volleyball match have several teams in different sports, but draw the overwhelming amount of support for their soccer teams.
Michalis Filopoulos, 25, died Thursday and seven others were hospitalized — mostly with stab wounds — after fans from rival Panathinaikos Athens and Olympiakos Piraeus clashed near Athens.
... Amateur videos of the violence, broadcast on Greek television, showed scores of people arriving at the scene on scooters before clashing with rival supporters, wielding bats and knives, and hurling petrol bombs and rocks. Police arrested 13 at the scene, seizing knives, flare guns, brass knuckles and other weapons, and three more were arrested later. |
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See, rail all you want about hockey fights, but at least in North America our fight stay between the players. We don't have people dying in soccer riots or at volleyball games.
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Yeah. I'm going to say when it comes to sports riots, we're one up on the rest of the world. I mean, volleyball riots?
| al-Qa'bong wrote: | | Quote: | | Regardless, we're blaming the victim now? The Bertuzzi attack was a week following the Naslund hit and after Moore "followed the code" by fighting Brad May. |
When you consider that Canucks fans know hockey like Phoenix fans know hockey, it all makes sense. |
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A Decima poll shows that us Canadians like it rough.
| Quote: | ... The Decima survey found that a huge majority of people who call themselves avid fans – a whopping 76 per cent – oppose eliminating fights from NHL games.
... Twenty-four per cent of Canadians are self-described avid hockey fans, 28 per cent say they're occasional fans, and 47 per cent express no interest in the game, Decima said.
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– Supporters of the Conservative party were nine percentage points more likely to support fighting than Liberals.
– Francophones were eight per cent more supportive of a fighting ban than anglophones.
– Younger people (aged 18 to 24) say they enjoy fighting 15 percentage points more than people aged over 55.
– Men are 15 per cent more likely than women to oppose a ban.
– Alberta is the province most opposed to a ban. |
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I wonder how many NDPers support fighting...Am I the only one?
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I don't mind it really... but then I am not in the NDP.
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I have absolutely no interest in ice hockey but noticed a front page story and am surprised that no one has mentioned the item. The CBC, reportedly, is threatening to sue over the parody of its logo Hockey Night in Canada.
A Cloverdale, B.C. entrepreneur, Michael Mills is selling T-shirts with the logo, Hockey Fight in Canada.
While I support Mills, sadly, he says his logo is a "tribute" meant to advocate fighting in hockey.
On reading that, I feel inclined to design my own logo, Tacky Night in Canada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I wonder how many NDPers support fighting...Am I the only one? |
Tommy Douglas was a boxer.
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Hephaestion
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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I somehow don't think very many NHL players are using Marquis of Queensbury rules, however.
And as for that poll, cited above, all I can say is that there might well be a reason that so many people are not following hockey any more. Certainly some of it is due to a wider range of choices available, and some would not be interested no matter what, but as the survey found, the majority does not favour fighting in hockey. Perhaps that's a large part of why so many aren't watching.
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| al-Qa'bong wrote: | | Quote: | | I wonder how many NDPers support fighting...Am I the only one? |
Tommy Douglas was a boxer. |
Fighting ih hockey. Boxing. Apples and oranges. |
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Migawd some polls are idiotic.
Very few people are talking about trying to "ban" fighting. What many people who, like me, find hockey fights infantile and stupid, not to mention boring, would like to see is for the stupid staged fights between two no-talent goons disappear forever. The NHL will not be making a single fight worthy of game misconduct penalty anytime soon, but there's no reason they couldn't try to suspend the players who have, say, more than five fights in a single season.
And besides: asking people if they want to get rid of fighing is like asking them if they like paying taxes. If you asked two years ago if people wanted to see more penalties called, a healthy proportion would have said no. Now that the NHL has been more vigilant for two years, a lot of fans are mostly complaining that the league is back-sliding.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| F.Codger wrote: |
Very few people are talking about trying to "ban" fighting. |
Well, if you don't want to ban fighting, do you want to fan biting? |
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al-Qa'bong
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| skeptikool wrote: | | al-Qa'bong wrote: | | Quote: | | I wonder how many NDPers support fighting...Am I the only one? |
Tommy Douglas was a boxer. |
Fighting ih hockey. Boxing. Apples and oranges. |
If you want to rid hockey of the "violence" of fighting, why don't you want to rid boxing of its violence?
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If you took the violence out of boxing, you'd be left with two dudes, hugging and dancing.
If you took the violence out of hockey, you'd still be left with hockey. Oh, a girly, emasculated hockey for many fans, to be sure, but still, there's a game underneath all the macho.
But why not just go in the other direction? Change the rules so that any player, at any time, can whack another player with a stick, trip another player, slash a player with a skate, etc.?
If the violence is what makes hockey a man's sport, why not amp it up? Fuck all the fancy figure skating and the part about flicking a rubber cylinder through some posts... just make it a whack-fest. An honest whack-fest.
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There is no problem with hockey the way it is. From every single account that I've heard, there is far less fighting in hockey than there used to be. Occasionally, two guys square off and settle their difference with fisticuffs. What's wrong with that? When was the last time someone got injured in a hockey fight in the NHL? It's just entertaining. You take fighting out of hockey, it will still be entertaining, however you won't have improved the quality of the game. You'll have taken out a part of the game that's as exciting as goals and great saves.
You say that if you take the fighters out of the game, you'll have more room for skilled playes that are more entertaining to watch. Doubtful. The players that are skilled enough to draw a significan amount of attention will make the league anyway. What you'll do is just have some more players with middle-level skill. So, Darcy Tucker will still be in the league. Sean Avery will still be in the league. Etcetera. New players replacing the ones that have no skill outside of fighting (which are few and far between in the league these days anyway) will not significantly improve the skill level.
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| Quote: | Change the rules so that any player, at any time, can whack another player with a stick, trip another player, slash a player with a skate, etc.?
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I realize you don't know anything about hockey, but what purpose would this serve?
I've played organized hockey since 1971, and I can honestly say in that time I never once worried about getting hurt in a fight. The thing that worries me is the type of incident where someone like Marian Hossa loses control of his stick and whacks someone (me, for instance) in the eye.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| JPG wrote: | | Occasionally, two guys square off and settle their difference with fisticuffs. What's wrong with that? |
| F.Codger wrote: | | many people ... like me, find hockey fights infantile and stupid, not to mention boring |
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