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Andyinedmonton Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: Banning gay-straight alliance clubs |
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http://sovo.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=6266
They've decided to ban all clubs that addresses sexuality but they know full well that most of the clubs involve people with minority preferences. |
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Feral Fulltime enMasse Member

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 852 Location: In a tree... very high up.
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "Sex-oriented clubs have no place in our school system, gay or straight," said board member Jim Shuping, who proposed the action. "They are disrespectful and disruptive to our educational process.... We need to take a step back from this and take control of our schools." |
For educators, this is a remarkably ill-informed decision. But of course, Boards of Education are rarely comprised of educators, and even more rarely of informed persons. The value of Gay-Straight Alliances is well known.
| Quote: | Contemporary research demonstrates that discrimination is rare within schools that actively promote an appreciation of difference and a sense of community. For example, the California Safe Schools Coalition issued a recent report on the impact of GSAs in California schools. This 2004 report found that in schools where GSAs had been established, students describe feeling
• safer at school,
• less likely to be harassed for their differences,
• more likely to have supportive adults who want them to succeed, and
• more likely to say that teachers treat them more fairly and with greater respect. (p. 20)
Corresponding to the findings above, another recent study (Lee 2002) reveals that student involvement in GSAs is reflected in increased academic achievement, improved attendance, enhanced work ethic, a sense of empowerment and an increased sense of hope for students’ academic future (pp. 5–6). Importantly, GSA participants highlighted how “their involvement in the Alliance positively affected relationships with school administrators, teachers, family and peers” (Lee 2002, 7). Students in this study also spoke of new friendships, higher self-esteem, increased visibility and improved relationships at home and in school.
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(The emphasis is mine.)
I would think that someone claiming to have an interest in limiting disruptions of the educational process would welcome a resource that demonstrably enhances the educational process. |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 24243 Location: Where the Wild Things Are...
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I would think that someone claiming to have an interest in limiting disruptions of the educational process would welcome a resource that demonstrably enhances the educational process. |
Well, the fact that she summarily dismisses them as "sex-oriented clubs" (rather than exercises in tolerance, understanding and a means of decreasing discrimination) shows in rather short form that she has her own issues of ignorance and education to deal with, eh? Either that, or she's just demonstrating that she is in dire need of attending just such a club to rid herself of her own prejudices. _________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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Feral Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| The fact that he summarily dismisses GSAs as "sex-oriented clubs" (rather than exercises in tolerance, understanding and a means of decreasing discrimination) shows that he is, more likely than not, a bigot. |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: |
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That's the thing... bigots can be educated, and stop being a bigot. (Well, some of them can.) Queer people can't stop being queer, despite the mumbo-jumbo BS about "ex-gays". That's partly why I call it "ignorance." But there's a world of old-fashioned plain ol' *hate* wrapped up in there, too.
But I still hope to educate a few, 'coz there's no escaping it. Just like there are homophobes in every race (and even within the queer community -- how else to explain "ex-gays"?), there are bigots within the queer community too. Whether this is racial bigotry, prejudice against trans folks, or whatever, it is foolish to deny that it exists, or that we can ever escape bigotry by cutting ourselves off from the wider human community. It's with all of us, in some form or another.
I had a aboriginal friend back in university days whose family was from the shores of one of the Slave Lakes 'way up north (there's two, and I can't recall if it was the big one or the little one). Anyway, he told me about growing up and hearing friends and relatives all referring to the Inuit in sneering tones as "flatfaces".
Racism, sexism, homophobia are all things we can't totally escape no matter what culture or group; all we can do is try to decrease them, and one way of doing that is by education. That is, of course, why the bigots fight stuff like the GSAs so hard -- because what we call education, they insist on seeing as indoctrination. I think of such exercises more as "deprogramming", as what it really is, is un-learning the indoctrination one has already had. None of us are born suspicious, resentful, hateful and so on, toward Jews, or POCs or gays, or whoever. We are taught that, and things like "Ashley's Two Moms" in the lower grades, GSAs in the higher grades are attempts to "deprogram" a lot of that crap and false assumptions that are inculcated in our earliest years.
Every queer person I've ever talked to has had to go through this "questioning" period, where past assumptions and beliefs are gone through, examined and either disgarded or retained -- because we're all raised to be straight. That's the "default" setting, the assumption. And even *we* have to overcome that. Why should everyone else be any different?
With older folks, the "deprogramming" can take longer, and in some cases never works; people have invested so much in these stupid assumptions that we are taught when we're small children, that they can't let them go. I'm afraid those people just need to die off. But I'm never going to stop trying to reach out and educate people, because maybe, some day, there won't be a "default" setting. (I know, I know, but a boy can dream, no?) _________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: |
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In a somewhat related story...
Vermont parents wig out over gay tolerance speaker
| Quote: | Several parents are blasting the Burlington, Vermont school board for inviting a state-wide LGBT advocacy group to make a presentation on gay bullying at a local middle school this week.
A teenage member of Outright Vermont told the sixth graders about the bullying he faced and the difficulty he had in coping. The presentation at Lyman Hunt Middle School was part of Wellness Week". Other presentations covered topics such as tobacco, alcohol and drugs abuse, eating disorders, suicide prevention and violence against women and girls.
Parent Kristy DeGuise said parents should have been notified in advance that a gay person would be speaking.
"School is a place to learn. I don't personally believe that learning about not bashing gays is going to get them a better job in life," she told the Burlington Free Press.
Mary Rouille, a parent who said she is Catholic but enrolls her children in the public system said the speech should never have been allowed.
"If we can't bring our religion into the school, they shouldn't bring their beliefs in," she said. |
(tons of links to other similar stories at the above site)
I love that "school is a place to learn" bit... this is why schools have such things as "Junior Achievers", which is designed to make your child into a budding little capitalist? And as for "I don't personally believe that learning about not bashing gays is going to get them a better job in life"... Well, howzabout "if he doesn't go around being an ignorant bigot there's a better chance he'll get a better job at place that's not full of Neanderthals?"
And since when is school all about "getting a job", anyway? Don't they teach civics classes any more, and isn't part of their mandate to help teach kids how to be good citizens?! What transparent excuses for unvarnished bigotry. *pukey smiley* _________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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Amy Grace The space-age robot
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 774 Location: The Drive
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Aside from the fact that they're not sex clubs, I most definitely agree with the study from Feral's post. When I was too worried about who was going to try to hassle me or steal my stuff or hurt me for being queer, I sure wasn't learning much about Canadian history or Poetry or Algebra. Then we started a GSA and the school started dealing with homophobia in a more direct way. My grades went up, and I'm gonna bet it was cos I didn't hate/fear being there anymore.
And, from the last article, "Learning about not bashing gays"... wow. What exactly is the problem with teaching kids to be decent to one another? It's not like her kids won't ever have to deal with -the horrors!?!?!- a queer person in their adult life, and when they do they'd do well to know how to be civil. She doesn't sound like she's doing a good job passing even that on, plus she blathers on about "gays" not being able to bring in "our beliefs". Why exactly would she have a problem with the belief that every child deserves a violence-free education, or respect from teachers and peers? (Rhetorical question -- I can think of a pile of reasons she might come up with.) |
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Crippled_Newsie USian Hikikomori

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 886 Location: Where the trees claw at the windows.
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Feral wrote: | For educators, this is a remarkably ill-informed decision. But of course, Boards of Education are rarely comprised of educators, and even more rarely of informed persons....
I would think that someone claiming to have an interest in limiting disruptions of the educational process would welcome a resource that demonstrably enhances the educational process. |
I'd beg to differ in one respect: I think it was a very informed decision. That is to say, these people who seek to remove the safety net for GLBT students (as full of holes as it already is) do so in full appreciation of its consequences to GLBT kids... that outcome is what such bigots explicitly desire.
The 'homophobic agenda' has always included points of action designed to keep us alone, keep us isolated, keep us scared, and keep us from discovering our power. _________________ "You may say you don't hate us, but the people you vote for do, so what's the difference?" --Larry Kramer |
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Feral Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Hephaestion wrote: | | Every queer person I've ever talked to has had to go through this "questioning" period, where past assumptions and beliefs are gone through, examined and either disgarded or retained -- because we're all raised to be straight. That's the "default" setting, the assumption. And even *we* have to overcome that. Why should everyone else be any different? |
To an extent, all young people go through this "questioning" period. (I'm betting it has something to do with their prefrontal cortices growing in, but that's a whole other argument.) Gay young people, however, seem to do so much more thoroughly and with much more drastic consequences. I've seen it time and time again over a course of several decades. They seem to be doing this "radical re-evaluation" at far younger ages than they ever used to. "Means testing" your core beliefs at 20 is one thing; doing so at 16 is quite another. For the sake of mere order in the classroom, it would be prudent to provide these youths with a modicum of guidance.
Many people agree with you, Heph, on the proposition that the bigots can be educated. I happen to think that you're placing way too much trust in the transitive character of the verb "educate." In my experience, pupils will learn that which they are ready and willing to learn. It's not like you can pop the hood on their head and pour in a measure of sense. On the score of homophobia, this "education strategy" has been widely endorsed in our community for some time now. The results from those efforts are marginal at best, and it's questionable whether any education campaign is directly (or even proximally) the cause of those results. Still, you are welcome to try. Any reduction in bigotry is a welcome change, whatever the source. Still, it is high time more resources were devoted to the other side of the equation. Whether or not bigots can be redeemed, the effects of their bigotry can be mitigated. GSAs do not, I think, have any marked effect on entire student populations. They are of demonstrable benefit to the students who participate in them. |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:31 am Post subject: |
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I'd say this story fits the theme of this thread
| Quote: | A national Christian law group sued a suburban school district on free-speech grounds, saying the district censors prayer club members and threatens discipline if students speak out against homosexuality.
The federal lawsuit against the Downingtown Area School District mirrors others filed by the Alliance Defense Fund that accuse schools of implementing "Orwellian speech code(s)."
The Arizona-based group also sued the Georgia Institute of Technology this week over anti-gay speech, and has previously tried to block gay marriage laws, anti-discrimination policies and workplace diversity training.
In the latest suit, the alliance said Downingtown schools improperly forced a student group to drop explicitly Christian or Scriptural references from its literature, and to meet as the "Prayer Club" instead of the preferred "Bible Club."
Students also want the right to air anti-gay and other viewpoints free from punishment outlined in the school's speech code.
"(The school district) favors the viewpoints of some clubs - e.g. the Gay Straight Alliance - while banning only the viewpoints expressed by the Prayer Club," states the suit, filed Wednesday on behalf of students Stephanie and Steven Styer and others. {my emphasis]
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John Davidson, legal director of Lambda Legal, a national gay-rights group, said courts have drawn the line at speech that incites a disturbance.
"There's this very perverse attempt to paint people who are trying to impose their religious views on other people as somehow the victims, because they don't get to go up to other people and tell them they hate them," Davidson said.
"Since when do you have a right to be mean to other people, particularly when you're dealing with children?" he said. "I just don't get that they think this is something that resources should be put into." |
_________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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PuebloUnido *BANNED*
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I've never understood elected judiciaries and elected school boards. |
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