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thwap
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Fire that simpering fuckface.
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TS.
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"Very threatening and very frightening situations."
Right, a disoriented and tired Pole with a desk stapler at his side is so very threatening. I guess we don't know what it's like to be a poor, easily frightened and intimidated police officer.
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Feral
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That's just plain weird. See... this part makes sense:
| Quote: | Earlier this month, testimony from Const. Kwesi Millington brought laughter and heckling from the public gallery, after he demonstrated the way Dziekanski supposedly threatened RCMP officers with an office stapler that day.
The inquiry lawyer asked the RCMP constable how "four healthy, young officers" could have felt threatened by a stapler when they were armed with guns and wearing bullet-proof vests. |
I well imagine that tableau elicited laughter and heckling.
This part, though:
| Quote: | | "I would just ask Canadians to reflect for a minute before they jump to conclusions. You can have very frightening and very threatening situations. Fortunately we live in a country, unlike the country we are sitting in, where most Canadians do not encounter violence or threatening situations up-close and personal." |
That's just five different kinds of weird.
Staplers aren't frightening.
I wouldn't know what "most Canadians" encounter. I've heard about Vancouver's crime statistics, though. I have.
I'll agree with him: if "most Canadians" encounter that which occurs in Vancouver (and I've heard they just don't), then no. I am, regrettably, familiar with somewhat higher levels of both violent and property crime than are reported for Vancouver (if five times counts as "somewhat"). This "up-close and personal" stuff... been there, done that, danced to the remixes.
You know what?
Staplers just aren't frightening.
Not even really, really close. |
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Tehanu
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The Greens and the NDP have both commented on whether the RCMP should remain the provincial police force in BC.
| Quote: | The Green Party would scrap the RCMP in B.C. and replace it with a combination of a Metro Vancouver regional police force and a broader provincial police service.
Leader Jane Sterk said the pledge stems from the need for a regional approach to gang violence and to impose greater accountability and civil oversight on the RCMP after high-profile fatalities in custody.
... The NDP has pledged to investigate the feasibility of a regional police force for Metro Vancouver and it would reform the police complaint process to include the RCMP. |
BC Local News. |
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Hephaestion
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Watchdog: RCMP shouldn't investigate itself in serious cases
| Quote: | The RCMP watchdog says the Mounties should not investigate their own members in the most serious cases -- especially when someone has died -- due to conflict of interest.
In a new report, the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP recommends sexual assault and serious injury cases involving Mounties sometimes be turned over to outside investigators to ensure independence.
The commission, which spent 19 months studying the controversial issue of the RCMP investigating itself, calls for several policy and legislative changes to avoid actual or perceived conflicts. Currently, the national police force has discretion to decide how such investigations will unfold.
"Overall, it is the CPC's contention that criminal investigations into members should not be treated the same way as any other criminal investigation," says the commission's report released Tuesday.
"As the seriousness of the offence alleged against a member rises, the discretion for the RCMP to respond as it deems appropriate must be removed and mandatory requirements should be inserted in its place."
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He told reporters the force does not track investigations against its own and has no understanding of the scope of the problem.
"There is currently no national, centralized co-ordination of member investigations," he said. "That means that no member of the RCMP, including the RCMP commissioner, can tell you how many criminal investigations have been undertaken into its own members.
"More serious is that no one can tell you how many members have been investigated for serious injury, sexual assault or death nor can they identify how many charges have been laid against their members nor what the outcome was." |
Lots more @ link
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TS.
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The whole report is a bit laughable given that the author concludes that in none of the cases examined were the investigating officers biased, even in the 68 cases where the investigating officer knew the officer under investigation.
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Tehanu
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Laughable or not, the RCMP has dismissed the report. They're just fine with investigating themselves. Sheesh. You'd think people distrusted them or something!
| Quote: | The RCMP has rejected a watchdog report that argues that Mounties have to stop investigating their own colleagues in every serious incident involving a killing.
Commissioner William Elliott said there can be further changes to the RCMP's internal investigations policy, but he insisted the situation is “not as bleak” as was laid out by the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP.
... Mr. Elliott said it is simply impossible for his officers to stay away from an investigation in every situation. He said that in a perfect world, RCMP officers would never investigate their colleagues, but he argued it is impractical.
The RCMP Commissioner said that in a case involving a police shooting in one of Canada's remote communities, for example, there are no other police forces in place to handle the investigation.
“By the time another forensic expert or police officer arrives, there might not be any forensic evidence to gather,” Mr. Elliott said. |
Does anyone else find it ominous and disturbing that Elliott says that in remote communities forensic evidence might disappear before an outside expert had a chance to get there? |
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Bacchus
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I doubt he meant it would be made to disappear but rather that it would degrade normally (forensic evidence geenrally means organic and that degrades rather fast, especially if the officer there wasn't allowed to touch anything)
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TS.
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That might be, but the RCMP hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt. Particularly given that they have a pattern of trying to make evidence disappear, i.e. the attempt to disappear the tape of the murder of Robert Dziekanski.
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anne cameron
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As of April, 2010, any municipality with less than 5,000 people will not have RCMP presence in B.C.
Right now we have one RCMP member but changes to the rules and regulations means she cannot attend certain calls by herself: domestics, violence in general, any time there's a possibility someone has a gun... so she has to wait for reenforcements to come in from Gold River...that'll take an hour, minimum, usually closer to an hour and a half...
One part of my brain is scurrying around like a frantic mouse trying to come up with some way we can have "someone" stand in, be a town constable, or sheriff, or ..y'know, like Marshall Dillon...another part of my brain is sighing with relief that, at least, we won't have RCMP to worry about.
The up side is we don't have a bank to rob.
The down side is obvious; any store which carries cigarettes, any beer and wine outlet or liquor store will become hot targets. At the very least their insurance will probably skyrocket.
Then there's the fact you could easily bleed to death in an hour and a half. But maybe the BC Ambulance people will go where no armed cop will dare to tread.
We're making sad sick jokes that the Olympics are eating up ALL the money and soon the gubmint won't be able to afford anything at all; but that's not only a sick joke it's stupid because OF COURSE they'll be able to afford subsidies to resource extraction corporations. |
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Bacchus
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| TS. wrote: | | That might be, but the RCMP hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt. Particularly given that they have a pattern of trying to make evidence disappear, i.e. the attempt to disappear the tape of the murder of Robert Dziekanski. |
Not saying they wouldn't just saying Elliot certsainly didnt mean it in that context.
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Rufus Polson
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| Quote: | | I want tell you about the town of Stockbridge, Massachusets, where this happened here, they got three stop signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars, being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station. They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach, the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to mention the aerial photography. |
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Hephaestion
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Got a link, Rufus?
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anne cameron
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But...but...but... what about the Musical Ride?....isn't that part of our "canadian identity"?
oh...right...well, at least it doesn't fall far from the horse.... |
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Rufus Polson
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A link? That's from "Alice's Restaurant". Arlo Guthrie and whatnot. You could google Alice's Restaurant Lyrics.
(tries it) . . . yeah, that works.
| Quote: | And we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but that's not what I came to tell you about.
Came to talk about the draft.
They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street, where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected, neglected and selected. |
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mamitalinda
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Hephaestion
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| Rufus Polson wrote: | | A link? That's from "Alice's Restaurant". Arlo Guthrie and whatnot. |
Ahhh. Yes, well, I was not all that familiar with that song, having only heard the refrain a few times before, never the entire piece.
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Rufus Polson
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| It's well worth a listen. Takes a while . . . it's on Youtube, I know for sure. |
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Rufus Polson
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| Ack! Somehow duped my post. |
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DSquared
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RCMP Watchdog pushed in Parliament:
| Quote: | A civilian watchdog agency would investigate deaths or serious injuries that occur to people in RCMP custody, under a private member's bill introduced Monday in Parliament.
New Democratic MP Nathan Cullen said the creation of his proposed civilian investigation service would end the practice of having the RCMP investigate its own members. |
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Hephaestion
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Cop behind Arar travesty continues to wreak havoc -- after being *promoted*
| Quote: | It had somehow escaped my notice, but RCMP Superintendent Mike Cabana--notorious for his involvement in the Maher Arar affair--subsequently received a promotion. He's now an RCMP assistant commissioner. That's how that discredited organization operates.
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Well, Cabana is back in the news today.
It seems that the RCMP is about to kick one of their prized informants out of the Witness Protection Program for doing radio interviews for a "true crime" book. He's a marked man: you don't play a pivotal role in jailing full-patch Hell's Angels and their pals and get forgiven.
But there may be more to this than radio interviews. It seems that, while he was an informant, he gave the RCMP a warning that a hit was about to take place. But despite providing more and more specifics, the RCMP didn't return his calls, and the hit went ahead.
One of his handlers was Mike Cabana. And he certainly had his priorities straight:
| Quote: | | Should this matter proceed to court, this information will likely be disclosed, thereby tarnishing the Force's reputation, not to mention any civil liability that might flow from this situation. |
Now, for all I know, Cabana is a delightful man on a personal level. But what we see here, as in the Arar affair, is classic institution-speak, the utterances of a "good company man," the quintessential Weberian bureaucrat who does what he is told and questions nothing.
After Dziekanski, the corporate culture of the RCMP has come in for a lot of scrutiny. It is a defensive organization in which the first rule is unthinking loyalty and the second is to close ranks when mistakes are made--particularly lethal ones. It is an institution pathologically unable to reflect on, much less take responsibility for, the actions of the individuals within it.
Cabana's voiced attitude, replicated endlessly within the force, sums up everything that is wrong with the RCMP today. It is cavalier about the human tragedies that it causes, blasé about civil liberties, and concerned above all with protecting the RCMP image and avoiding liability. But this attitude indicates, above all, a fear of accountability--an accountability, however, that in a democracy, every police service must have to those whom they are charged to serve and protect.
A complete top-to-bottom independent institutional audit of the RCMP is more than overdue. Cabana's perspective on things, in fairness, is a symptom, not the disease itself. But the question in my mind, there for some time now after Arar and the Bush and Dziekanski killings, is--can this organization actually be cured? |
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Hephaestion
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| DSquared wrote: | Mountie's widow alleges force not protecting members:
| Quote: | "The RCMP as an organization is not doing enough to keep the members safe," said Jodie Worden, whose husband, Const. Christopher Worden, 30, was gunned down in Hay River, N.W.T., last month.
"They have no idea the demands and the expectations that are put on regular members up in the North," she told CBC News Thursday.
Worden's comments follow the death of Const. Douglas Scott, 20, who was shot and killed earlier this week while responding to a drunk-driving complaint in Kimmirut, Nunavut.
In both cases, the officers answered the service calls alone, late at night. |
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Accused Mountie killer, Emrah Bulatci says gun fired accidentally
In keeping with the same standard of investigation, evidence, proof, and credibility established in the killings of Ian Bush and Robert Dziekanski, I propose that we just believe Mr. Bulatci and let him go without charges.
Well, maybe we can have an Inquiry, and spend a few hundred thousand/millions of dollars. But definitely Mr. Bulatci should be released without charges.
It'd be great if top RCMP big-wigs could cluck about how "unfortunate" the whole matter was, but still express their conviction that Mr. Bulatci is a fine individual who was just doing what he thought was right.
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Tehanu
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About friggin' time ... Elliott has announced that if an RCMP officer is involved in a death, serious injury or crime then outside investigators will be called in. Now, does that mean different police forces will be investigating? Because I'd still like to go beyond cops investigating cops.
| Quote: | ... Commissioner William Elliott says cases in which officers are linked to death, serious injury or criminal behaviour will be referred to provincial or federal organizations for investigation.
Where no such regimes exist, the policy allows the national force to ask an “external law-enforcement agency or other duly authorized investigative agency” to conduct the probe.
And in cases where that's not possible, the RCMP may appoint at least two Mounties from another province, along with independent observers to review their findings.
Any officers assigned to investigating their own will be screened for possible conflict of interest and, where possible, the primary investigator should outrank the subject of the investigation.
... “The RCMP encourages the adoption of independent investigative bodies for all jurisdictions.” |
Globe and Mail. |
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Hephaestion
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| Tehanu wrote: | | Now, does that mean different police forces will be investigating? Because I'd still like to go beyond cops investigating cops. |
I'd vote for The Hague, myself.
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thwap
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| Hephaestion wrote: | | DSquared wrote: | Mountie's widow alleges force not protecting members:
| Quote: | "The RCMP as an organization is not doing enough to keep the members safe," said Jodie Worden, whose husband, Const. Christopher Worden, 30, was gunned down in Hay River, N.W.T., last month.
"They have no idea the demands and the expectations that are put on regular members up in the North," she told CBC News Thursday.
Worden's comments follow the death of Const. Douglas Scott, 20, who was shot and killed earlier this week while responding to a drunk-driving complaint in Kimmirut, Nunavut.
In both cases, the officers answered the service calls alone, late at night. |
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Accused Mountie killer, Emrah Bulatci says gun fired accidentally
In keeping with the same standard of investigation, evidence, proof, and credibility established in the killings of Ian Bush and Robert Dziekanski, I propose that we just believe Mr. Bulatci and let him go without charges.
Well, maybe we can have an Inquiry, and spend a few hundred thousand/millions of dollars. But definitely Mr. Bulatci should be released without charges.
It'd be great if top RCMP big-wigs could cluck about how "unfortunate" the whole matter was, but still express their conviction that Mr. Bulatci is a fine individual who was just doing what he thought was right. |
You're too kind to the RCMP. In your scenario, they'd also try to smear Worden and Scott to make them less sympathetic.
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Nunavut man guilty of 1st-degree murder in shooting of northern Mountie
| Quote: | IQALUIT, Nunavut - Jury members broke into tears Thursday after finding a Nunavut man guilty of first-degree murder for shooting a Mountie in the head while the officer sat in his police truck.
Pingoatuk Kolola, 39, was charged after RCMP Const. Doug Scott was shot at close range on the night of Nov. 5, 2007, in Kimmirut on Baffin Island.
Many jurors - seven of whom are from the tiny community of 400 where the crime took place - wept openly as the verdict was delivered. As soon as the jury filed out of the courtroom, loud weeping could be heard from the adjacent hallway.
"The decision of yours reflects the sense of justice in your own hearts and in your community," Justice Robert Kilpatrick told them. |
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Rufus Polson
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Horrible event, bad situation leading up to it. Poor mountie.
Um, not to quibble, but to me the whole thing sounds a bit more like second degree than first. I mean, it can't really have been premeditated particularly--the guy who shot him really doesn't sound like he was thinking much, let alone planning, at the time. And his meeting the officer was pretty much random from his point of view. It's just not like he had a beef with the officer and set out to kill him, or even had formed a plan to kill anyone at all. I wouldn't buy manslaughter--he pointed a gun at the guy and blew him away, you expect people to die of that. But first degree?
Maybe my understanding of the distinction between first and second degree murder is way off, though. |
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| Rufus Polson wrote: | | Um, not to quibble, but to me the whole thing sounds a bit more like second degree than first. |
| Quote: | 231(4) Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of any person, murder is first degree murder when the victim is
(a) a police officer, police constable, constable, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff’s officer or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace, acting in the course of his duties;
(b) a warden, deputy warden, instructor, keeper, jailer, guard or other officer or a permanent employee of a prison, acting in the course of his duties; or
(c) a person working in a prison with the permission of the prison authorities and acting in the course of his work therein. |
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| Oh. So there's a special retribution deal for cops. That's interesting. |
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I know this is a threadjack, but I find this interesting, insofar as journalists are given special consideration:
| Quote: | | 231 (6.2) Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of a person, murder is first degree murder when the death is caused by that person while committing or attempting to commit an offence under section 423.1. |
| Quote: | 423.1 (1) No person shall, without lawful authority, engage in conduct referred to in subsection (2) with the intent to provoke a state of fear in
(a) a group of persons or the general public in order to impede the administration of criminal justice;
(b) a justice system participant in order to impede him or her in the performance of his or her duties; or
(c) a journalist in order to impede him or her in the transmission to the public of information in relation to a criminal organization.
(2) The conduct referred to in subsection (1) consists of
(a) using violence against a justice system participant or a journalist or anyone known to either of them or destroying or causing damage to the property of any of those persons;
(b) threatening to engage in conduct described in paragraph (a) in Canada or elsewhere;
(c) persistently or repeatedly following a justice system participant or a journalist or anyone known to either of them, including following that person in a disorderly manner on a highway;
(d) repeatedly communicating with, either directly or indirectly, a justice system participant or a journalist or anyone known to either of them; and
(e) besetting or watching the place where a justice system participant or a journalist or anyone known to either of them resides, works, attends school, carries on business or happens to be. |
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Hephaestion
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| Quote: | | Oh. So there's a special retribution deal for cops. That's interesting. |
Conversely, if a cop was to intentionally blow out a prisoner's brains with a shot to the back of the head while in the process of "releasing" him, or to shoot a suspect while the suspect is handcuffed to a tree (to give just two examples), he is utterly blameless, and is acting within the parameters of his duty, and will thus face no sanctions whatsoever.
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DSquared
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Guess who's report suggested that a high-speed chase near Edmonton last fall should have been called off?
| Quote: | | An internal review of a high-speed police chase that led to two deaths in a fiery crash near Hinton, Alta., last November found that the officers should have called off the pursuit, a senior RCMP official said Friday. |
If you follow this case, you'll see that the civilian agency in Alberta completely cleared the officers of any wrongdoing.
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DSquared
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:50 am Post subject: |
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60% of BC Mounties considered quitting:
| Quote: | An RCMP staff survey suggests nearly 60 per cent of officers and staff in B.C. considered quitting the force last year because of frustrations in the workplace, lack of recognition, and unrealistic expectations.
Nearly 40 per cent of staff also reported they would either recommend against — or have doubts about recommending — an RCMP career to others.
The survey also found only about 20 per cent of staff felt their supervisors, managers and leaders were well prepared, capable and had the right competencies for their positions. |
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Tehanu
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A former RCMP officer accused of the murder of an Ottawa police officer has also been charged with sexually assaulting a child and possessing child pornography.
| Quote: | ... Kevin Gregson, 43, was charged with four counts of sexual assault causing bodily harm and four counts of sexual interference with a person under 16 in relation to a single victim, as well as a count of possession of child pornography during his appearance in an Ottawa courtroom.
He had previously been charged with first-degree murder in [Eric] Czapnik's stabbing death last December.
... Gregson's lawyer Geraldine Castle-Trudel said her client denies the new charges and will put a "vigorous defence forward."
... On Friday, Gregson was also declared fit to stand trial, based on the results of a psychiatric assessment that found no evidence of major mental illness. Castle-Trudel, who requested the assessment, said she was surprised by the results.
"They found that he had some personality disorders and problems in all likelihood," she said, "but they weren't satisfied that he was not criminally responsible at the time in question." |
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RP.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Is that post in this thread because it's the RCMP's fault? This is a genuine question.
Here is a detail which is missing from almost all of the reports relating to these alllegations:
| Quote: | | The circumstances in relationship to the charges date back to just days before an Ottawa police officer was stabbed to death in December. |
What exactly he's charged with seems to be confusing reporters, some say sex assault, others sex assault causing bodily harm, others aggravated sexual assault. |
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Tehanu
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, this is kind of a generic RCMP thread. I'm also interested in emerging details -- his psych assessment identified some problems, but said he was fit to go to trial. Had he been exhibiting behavioural disorders before? Would this have been something the RCMP could have observed and/or dealt with? |
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Tehanu
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I know there was a question the last time I posted a story about an individual RCMP officer, but I'm going to continue to do so. I gave it some thought, but I have concerns about the systemic culture of the organization, and it is very worrying when members of it are charged with committing heinous crimes, whether or not it is in the course of their work.
The latest is an Edmonton officer who has been arrested in connection with his wife's homicide. And yes, he is currently serving.
| Quote: | A veteran RCMP constable was arrested Saturday after his wife’s body was found inside a home in a southeast Edmonton neighbourhood.
Clifton Purvis, a spokesman with the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team, which investigates incidents involving police, says officers were called to the home in the Jackson Heights neighbourhood after 4 a.m. MDT to a report of shots being fired.
... Purvis refused to name the woman or the RCMP officer but said his agency is treating the woman’s death as a homicide.
... The 36-year-old constable, who has been with the RCMP for over seven years, was arrested at around 5:30 a.m. at another location, though Purvis wouldn’t say where.
No charges have been laid.
... Peter Hourihan, the assistant commissioner in charge of criminal operations with the RCMP, would not comment on whether a police service gun may have been used in the incident.
“This member was not on duty at the time of the homicide. The member did have his service weapon at home because his job required him to have that for operational readiness and on-call purposes,” Hourihan said. “This is in keeping with RCMP policy.”
... Hourihan added that working as a police officer can be a stressful job and it’s important that employees know an assistance program is in place for those who are having personal troubles. |
Toronto Star. (Yup, I took out the usual "couldn't see that coming, he was such a nice guy" comments from neighbours and such.) |
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Maestro
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Well, it appears the RCMP is disbanding themselves. Upper level management are staging a mutiny.
Ottawa looks into RCMP beefs about boss
| Quote: | The federal government is investigating allegations by senior Mounties that RCMP Commissioner William Elliott is abusive and insulting, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said Tuesday.
...Toews said the complaints are "essentially an internal matter in the RCMP, but one that concerns me because of the impact the RCMP have generally throughout the country."
This is a stressful time for the force, which is implementing sweeping reforms, he said.
...CBC News reported Monday that as many as 10 senior members of the force, including deputy commissioners Tim Killam and Raf Souccar, have complained to Toews and to the Prime Minister's Office about Elliott's (RCMP Commissioner William Elliott) conduct. |
Apparently Elliot isn't working out that well (I'm hoping this makes the 'understatement of the year' award ceremonies - also known as the 'undies').
Of course this is a very hot potato for Harper to handle. Toews is obviously out of his depth. Yet the problem didn't just drop out of the sky. It was the last RCMP commissioner, Giuliano Zaccardelli, who destroyed whatever credibility the RCMP may have had.
The RCMP have always been reactionary, but at least they were professional. Now the professionalism is long gone, leaving behind a bunch of keystone kops who apparently spend a lot of time watching US cop shows, and acting out fantasies.
The question at the head of this thread is 'should the RCMP be disbanded'?
It's pretty much moot now, they are imploding. The real question is how Canada can rebuild a professional, national, police force. All of the officer material required to do so is permanently tainted. It's almost to the point where they'd have to go outside the country to find someone capable enough, and clean enough, to take on the job.
And that's a task beyond the capabilities of the current government. They don't have what it takes to attract and keep anyone of talent.
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I'd give 25 cents to have watched one of those tirades!  What sorts of stupid shit would a harpercon hack-appointee get mad about with a bunch of plodding right-wing goons and sycophants like the RCMP top-brass?
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| Quote: | This is a stressful time for the force, which is implementing sweeping reforms, he said.
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Maestro
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Well done, fork! 
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My heart bleeds for the RCMP leadership. They deserve each other.
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Maestro
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So they appoint the ex-CSIS guy who fought fiercely with the RCMP over the destroyed tapes in the Air India case.
Fucking brilliant!
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Elliott, after CSIS-dude issued his report, concedes that he may have been a teensy-weensy bit unpleasant as a manager. And so it looks like senior management will be getting a shake-up. Will he change? Will any of this change anything?
| Quote: | The head of the RCMP said there will be changes to senior management after a review found that his own style of leadership is considered by some to be controversial and has caused tension within the force.
"It is also anticipated that we will be moving forward in the near future with a number of changes to the structure and makeup of our senior management team," RCMP Commissioner William Elliott said in a staff email obtained by CBC News.
... Elliott said that [former CSIS chief Reid[ Morden found there was "an unhealthy level of tension and internal conflict" in the senior executive team and that those tensions escalated in the last month.
... He said Morden recognized that much has already been accomplished, but that senior management needs to accelerate its work in some areas. |
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DSquared
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Cree officer Saskatchewan's top cop:
| Quote: | n fluent Cree, the new top Mountie in Saskatchewan says he's "very pleased to have been given this work."
"Nimithwethiteen ota ipi methikawiyan oma atoskewin," RCMP Chief Supt. Russ Mirasty says.
Mirasty, a member of the Lac La Ronge First Nation in northern Saskatchewan, has taken over as the commanding officer of F Division — becoming the first aboriginal person to lead an RCMP division in the force's history. |
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| Well, it's about time! |
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thwap
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Before Ipperwash, one of Dudley George's cousins was thinking of joining the OPP. Afterwards he began to have second thoughts. The whole family said he should join. The more FN among them the less likely there'd be more Ipperwash tragedies.
(Got all that 3rd hand.)
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DSquared
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
| Quote: | When a RCMP officer arrived at a house in response to a call about a dispute on Thursday afternoon, he was told a man who had been drinking was bothering family members.
The officer was taken to see the man, who was holding a loaded gun, police said.
After calling for assistance on his radio, the officer told the man a number of times to put the gun down but the man threatened the officer, according to the RCMP.
A second officer arrived and eventually the man put the gun down, but put up a struggle as they tried to put handcuffs on him. Several more officers arrived and the man was taken into custody. |
So the officers in this case were able to talk down an armed individual when they would have been within their rights to shoot this person? This sounds like good police work to me. That's the kind of thing that earns the police respect. There are lessons that can be learned.
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thwap
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Yeah, and it was stuff like that that made me respect police work to a great degree.
But now, alas, it seems that they're groups of cowardly thugs or cowardly slugs who refuse to speak up about their criminal buddies.
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Non-violently disarming an agitated/angry/threatened person is laudable (and often not 'that' hard). To then roughly man-handle the subject OFTEN evokes resistance which triggers pissed-off control from police/military 'types'. FWIW, officer's perspective can flip -- often still focused on what could be characterized as control issues but tone/attitude flips.
There are reasonable rationales throughout such an incident however the switch often is literally brutal. |
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