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Maestro Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Everyone has concentrated on Amiel's use of 'slut' and 'vermin', but there's another facet to this.
During that mini-tirade Amiel also said 'I used to be a journalist'...
Since when. _________________ On the wilds of the Drive |
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
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Rufus Polson Purple Library Guy
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| Well, the people who write for "The Onion" probably make money too. I bet they don't go around claiming to be journalists. |
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TS. Delicious schadenfreude

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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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In all fairness, she apparently was a columnist, worked at the CBC and did freelance work. It may not be what all of us consider journalism, but calling it journalism is more legitimate than calling writing for The Onion journalism. _________________ "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson |
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Rufus Polson Purple Library Guy
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| TS. wrote: | | In all fairness |
Hey! This is the "schadenfreude" thread.
You want a "fairness" thread, you go start your own!
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
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| I do recommend the Guardian article for those who didn't. |
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Maestro Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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I think the point I was making is that Barbara Amiel has never been a journalist, she has been a rantist.
The only thing she has going is that she taught Ann Coulter everthing she knows.
There was an episode way back when during a Canadian election. CBC had three different 'journalists' commenting as the election happened. I can't remember one of them, but the other to were Barbara Amiel and Marjorie Nichols.
Amiel made some asinine comment, which was her level of journalism. Marjorie Nichols, who was a real journalist, made a response that put Amiel away for the rest of the show. Shut her up completely. ( I wish I could remember exactly the exchange. I can't, so you'll have to take my word for it, but Nichols really shut her up.)
I almost felt a bit embarrased for Amiel. She showed herself to be a total incompetent and a fool beside someone who actually knew what they were doing.
Barbara Amiel at best was a 'hothouse' journalist. Exposed to the elements of real journalism, she withered. _________________ On the wilds of the Drive |
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F. Fulltime enMasse Member
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| Quote: | | Amiel made some asinine comment, which was her level of journalism. |
No doubt the comment was a product of the same erudition that produced her statement that feminism is nothing but a fad. |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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I have been trying very hard to not get sucked into the Conrad Black trial, but every now and then something delicious jumps out at me. Like today ... Black's lawyers asked for a mistrial based on, get this, APPEALS TO CLASS PREJUDICE.
Fabulous!
| Quote: | CHICAGO – Conrad Black's defence team accused the prosecution of trying to sway the jury with "appeals to class prejudice" and sought a mistrial in the former press baron's fraud trial today after memos were read in court mentioning Black's chef and chauffeur.
"This is inappropriate and appeals to class prejudice and I move for a mistrial," Black's U.S. defence lawyer Edward Genson told Judge Amy St. Eve.
The judge immediately denied the demand and allowed lead prosecutor Eric Sussman to continue reading from Black's messages.
In the documents, Black told other executives of his Hollinger International newspaper company, which was under pressure from minority shareholders to improve its financial performance, they should not have to take "a vow of poverty."
... Black's defence has tried to downplay their client's wealth, conservative political views and jet-setting lifestyle to avoid having jurors develop an antipathy towards the 62-year-old former newspaper owner. |
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No Yards Glutton for Punishment

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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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They don't hate him because he's rich ... they hate him because he's "Black".
You're rich you arrogant ass, buy a better lawyer. |
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The Evil Twin Stoned Immaculate

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| Quote: | They don't hate him because he's rich ... they hate him because he's "Black".
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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| WAH, poor Connie |
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The Evil Twin Stoned Immaculate

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Bshmr wrote:
Thanks for that link. Yeah I knew most of it but it refreshed my memory. One thing that stood out:
| Quote: | n 1959 she entered the University of Toronto, where she attended University College and took an honours degree in Philosophy & English.
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A humanities degree?! This from a columnist who ranted and raved in column after column that the humanities were a waste of time and a bastion of leftwing "political correctness"?  |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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It's anticipated that the Black trial might head to jury today. I've been studiously avoiding paying too much attention to this, but anyone want to start a pool on how long the jury will be out? Loser buys the beer.
| Quote: | The case against former media mogul Conrad Black and three former Hollinger International executives could go to the jury Tuesday as defence lawyers are expected to wrap up their closing arguments.
The defence lawyers' final presentations in a Chicago courtroom will be followed by a rebuttal from the prosecutors.
... In a dramatic flourish Monday during his summation, lawyer Michael Schacter picked up two heavy transcripts of Canadian star witness David Radler's testimony and slammed them down on a table in front of the jury.
Schacter, who represents former Hollinger vice-president Peter Atkinson, told the court there was not one word from Radler's testimony that implicated his client.
... During earlier closing arguments, some jurors appeared bored with the proceedings, which was normal for a long and complicated trial of this nature, jury consultant Wendy Grossman said.
... "Some of this stuff is not riveting, so after seven hours, people are going to find it hard to stay awake." |
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TS. Delicious schadenfreude

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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A long, long time. They have to consider 43 charges individually, for several defendants. I will say that they will return with a verdict on July 3. _________________ "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well, TS was right about it being a long time ... they're still out deliberating. July 3rd is today. Anyone think they'll be done? They're supposed to be taking July 4th off
| Quote: | The wait continues for Conrad Black as jurors in Chicago deliberate for a fourth day on Monday.
... Black's case went to the jury last Wednesday after three months of testimony, dozens of witnesses and hundreds of documents.
A jury of nine women and three men must now decide whether Black and three former Hollinger executives are innocent or guilty.
... Jurors are expected to deliberate until 4:45 p.m. CT Monday and until 2 p.m. Tuesday, before taking Wednesday off for U.S. Independence Day. |
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Norse of 60 Kokanee Kid

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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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I wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't let him off.
The main witness against him was obviously a sleazy crook. That lard black is one , as well, might not matter, the jurors might well decide they can't believe word one of what sleazy bastard said and...
After all , nobody got much for Enron, right?
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The Evil Twin Stoned Immaculate

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| Quote: | I wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't let him off.
The main witness against him was obviously a sleazy crook. That lard black is one , as well, might not matter, the jurors might well decide they can't believe word one of what sleazy bastard said and...
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I fear the same thing, and for much the same reason. Lord Tubby isn't a very likeable person. In many ways he seems like the caricature of a capitalist from a 1930s Soviet anti-capitalist movie. I mean c'mon he's pretentious, bombastic, and even proclaims his belief in the superiority of "Darwinian Capitalism". Unlike other equally monopolistic capitalists like Gates, Buffet or Soros, he doesn't believe in stealth or pretending to do "good works" for the little people. (I doubt you'll see Tubby giving away free laptops in India or appearing at an AIDS rally). If he goes down, this may be the reason why.
OTOH, as everyone has correctly noted, the main witness is someone equally corrupt and sleazy (not to mention a turncoat - no one likes a rat) and the burden of proof is on the prosecution. I have a bad feeling Tubby's goona walk.  _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford |
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Norse of 60 Kokanee Kid

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Doug Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Guilty on 4 charges!
| Quote: | Conrad Black has been found guilty on 4 charges, including obstruction and three counts of mail fraud, and not guilty on 9 other charges.
On count 13, the jury judged Conrad Black guilty of obstruction of justice in connection with the removal of 13 boxes of documents from his office at 10 Toronto Street in Toronto. It carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in jail and a $250,000 fine. |
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F. Fulltime enMasse Member
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| Quote: | | He now faces the prospect of as much as 35 years in jail. |
Is it wishful thinking for me to hope he gets the full 35 years? |
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Norse of 60 Kokanee Kid

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No Yards Glutton for Punishment

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Now that he's a convicted criminal, I really don't care whether he sits for 35 years in the worst US prison there is, or is granted Canadian citizenship and only spends 6 years in a Canadian "Fed-Med" prison.
The point is that his lordshit is a convicted criminal, and until the day I am convicted of a felony he is no longer my equal and deserves not even a second thought from someone so vaunted as myself, a non criminal.  _________________ I follow, but more importantly, respect the Golden Rule. I fully and completely respect your right to be 'done on to' as you would 'do on to' others. |
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Cartman Beyond cuddly

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| No Yards wrote: | Now that he's a convicted criminal, I really don't care whether he sits for 35 years in the worst US prison there is, or is granted Canadian citizenship and only spends 6 years in a Canadian "Fed-Med" prison.
The point is that his lordshit is a convicted criminal, and until the day I am convicted of a felony he is no longer my equal and deserves not even a second thought from someone so vaunted as myself, a non criminal.  | Something tells me he is not gonna see the inside of a cell.
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Doug Fulltime enMasse Member
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| Oh, I don't know. Martha Stewart did, and her corporate crime was much more insignificant. |
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The Evil Twin Stoned Immaculate

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| Quote: | | Oh, I don't know. Martha Stewart did, and her corporate crime was much more insignificant. |
From every legal "pundit" I heard today on radio as well as newsworld newsnet, it's almost certain Lord Tubby is going to jail. Before anyone mentions it, I realize analysts can and are frequently wrong, but in this case, I'm inclined to believe them. Before the verdict, I wasn't sure if he'd be convicted of anything (see my last post), but now that he has been, I'll wager that Tubby's going to see some jail time for sure. The only question is how long? _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford |
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Cartman Beyond cuddly

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| Doug wrote: | | Oh, I don't know. Martha Stewart did, and her corporate crime was much more insignificant. | Yeah, maybe I am being too cynical. I never thought he would be found guilty of the charges either, given his legal team and what they must have charged him. Looks like his lawyers got away with murder.  |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The Evil Twin wrote: | | I'll wager that Tubby's going to see some jail time for sure. The only question is how long? |
Hopefully at least until his wife is nothing more than a bitter, vicious, dried-up old shrew.
Oh, wait... _________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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m0nkyman you need arms on the left too

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Heph, you owe me a keyboard. _________________ "If I can not dance, I want no part in your revolution."
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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 _________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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sparqui Dog tired

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I avoided the whole Lord Tubby trial -- there is only so much despair I can deal with. But woooohoooo, the wicked witch is going to have to pack her last season Louis Vuitton luggage to see his ex-Lordship for a conjugal visit. I sure hope he gets a stiff sentence.
By the by, did you know that only six states provide conjugal visits?
California, Connecticut, Mississippi, New Mexico, New York, and Washington
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33904&page=3 _________________ “If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a tractor.”
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leftcoastguy Fulltime enMasse Member
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Doug
Thanks for this superb news about black being CON-VICTED. I hear he has already been kicked out of the house of lords - is that correct?
What a freaking asshole he is and what jeks those Canadian are that have ever given him a moment of their time.
Now if only somethiong similiar could happen to people like the Frums, Levant, etc. perhaps Canada might have a chance.
What is it gonna take to stop Canadians pandering to these societal misfits?
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| leftcoastguy wrote: |
Thanks for this superb news about black being CON-VICTED. I hear he has already been kicked out of the house of lords - is that correct?
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Unfortunately, not yet. He has, in our terms, been thrown out of the Conservative caucus there. |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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More on Lord Tubby and his hench-cronies:
| Quote: | The section below that discusses Conrad Black appeared in the U.S. edition of Banana Republicans, but our British publisher chose to leave it out when the book was published there, for fear of running afoul of England's onerous libel laws. Now that Black is officially a felon, however, perhaps the time has arrived when we can afford to share the full story even with our friends who live under the yoke of British tyranny.
This excerpt originally appeared as part of chapter one, titled "The Marketplace of Ideas":
| Quote: | ... The financial unraveling of media mogul Conrad Black provided yet another example of rich people who collect conservative thinkers the way other people collect stamps or autographs. Until his resignation, Black, a British lord, was CEO of Hollinger International, a media conglomerate whose holdings included more than a hundred newspapers around the world such as the Chicago Sun-Times, the Daily Telegraph and Spectator newspapers in London, and the Jerusalem Post. Black himself sat on the board of directors of two think tanks — the Hudson Institute and the Nixon Center. His resignation from Hollinger in December 2003 occurred after the company fell into financial crisis, prompting minority shareholders to form an investigative committee, which found more than $32 million in payments that "were not authorized or approved by either the audit committee or the full board of directors of Hollinger." By January, the investigation had uncovered more than $200 million in dubious transactions, prompting the company to file a lawsuit against Black, alleging that he had "diverted and usurped corporate assets and opportunities from the Company through systematic breaches of fiduciary duties owed to the Company and its non-controlling public shareholders." The "systematic breaches" included "excessive, unreasonable and unjustifiable fees" paid from Hollinger to another company owned by Black, as well as other irregularities and "sham transactions." They also involved other tangled financial dealings reflecting what the New York Times described as a "seemingly porous boundary among Lord Black's social, political and business lives."
Prior to his fall from grace, Black had built a reputation for himself as a deep thinker in his own right, publishing a thick biography of Franklin D. Roosevelt, its dust jacket decorated with laudatory blurbs from conservative intellectuals including Henry Kissinger, columnist George F. Will, and National Review founder William F. Buckley, Jr. "What the blurbs did not mention was that each man was praising the work of a sometime boss," the Times reported. "During the 1990's, Lord Black had appointed all three to an informal international board of advisors of Hollinger International, the newspaper company he controlled. For showing up once a year with Lord Black to debate the world's problems, each was typically paid about $25,000 annually." In addition to Buckley, Kissinger and Will, Black's advisory board included luminaries such as former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Richard Perle, the former assistant secretary of defense to Ronald Reagan.
Most of these illuminati had received payments of more than $100,000 over the years but hadn't felt compelled to disclose the payments when they publicly praised or disseminated Black's political views. During the buildup to war with Iraq, for example, George Will had written a column praising a hawkish speech that Black gave in London. After the New York Times called to ask if he should have disclosed his financial relationship with Black at the time, Will snapped, "My business is my business. Got it?"
Buckley was a bit more polite but equally evasive. When Black's financial scandal began making the news in November 2003, Buckley had written a defense of the embattled mogul, calling him "extraordinarily learned, profoundly instructed, modest in demeanor, eloquent in speech and in kindnesses." Responding to editorial criticism of Black in the New York Observer, Buckley blasted the editorial as "febrile with hate" and added, "Since your mind inclines in that direction, hear this: he has never donated a nickel to any of my enterprises."
Technically, that might have been true, since the money Buckley received over the years was payment for services, not a "donation." But it was a lot more than a nickel. When queried by the New York Times, Buckley estimated that Black had paid him at least $200,000. |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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On deck:
| Quote: | What's next in the Conrad Black fraud trial:
Restrictions: Black has surrendered his passport and will remain in the Chicago area until his bail hearing next Thursday.
Bail: On Thursday, Judge Amy Eve will hear lawyers argue whether Black should be allowed to go free while awaiting sentencing. Prosecutors want him to be held in custody, while defence lawyers say he poses no risk of flight.
Nov. 30: The former media baron is scheduled to be back in court again for a sentencing hearing.
Appeal: Black lawyer Eddie Greenspan has promised to appeal the verdict and dismissed prosecution statements that Black could be facing between 15 and 20 years behind bars. No timeline set for the appeal. |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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I haven't heard anything about whether or not he gets to keep his Lordshipness. I suspect that given British history a wee felony charge on obstruction of justice would not suffice to strip him of his velour robes. But one thing I do know: I don't want Lord Tubby to get his Canuckistan citizenship back.  |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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Small-minded? Petty? Us???
Nawww, we're just art-lovers, and we'd hate to interfere with a good morality play, or poetic justice, or anything like that, y'see. Yep, a bunch'a art-lovers, that's us.  _________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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Corey Non-Threatening Boy

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| Tehanu wrote: | | I haven't heard anything about whether or not he gets to keep his Lordshipness. I suspect that given British history a wee felony charge on obstruction of justice would not suffice to strip him of his velour robes. |
Jeffrey Archer still has his baronetcy and his seat in the House of Lords, and he had a conviction and sentence for perjury in Great Britain.
| Tehanu wrote: | But one thing I do know: I don't want Lord Tubby to get his Canuckistan citizenship back.  |
I believe on principle that he should not have had to choose between his Canadian citizenship and the peerage in the first place. The peerage was offered to him as a British citizen, in respect of his work and his public role and his long residence in Great Britain; it was not hereditary, and its primary constituent effect was his nomination to a public body, where if it was called the Senate or the Council of Advisors or whatever, a Canadian dual citizen would have no problem accepting. The Nickel Resolution and subsequent policy was meant to wind down the creation of a Canadian nobility. The resolution, incidentally, was never binding and was never reflected in law; the Bennett government ignored it, and there have been other exceptions often enough. (Wikipedia has more: Canadian titles debate.)
Prime Minister Chrétien did overreach, and to my mind badly, from the intent set forward in the Nickel Resolution, and he was very likely motivated in very large part by his animus against Black.
But Black did have a choice, then; nobody forced him to renounce his Canadian citizenship and take the peerage; he could have served Britain and Canada as a private citizen and in any other public capacities to which he might be invited. He did have the choice, and he took one and not the other... |
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unionist Fulltime enMasse Member
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| Corey wrote: |
I believe on principle that he should not have had to choose between his Canadian citizenship and the peerage in the first place. |
I agree. He should not have had to choose. He should have been denied both. |
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No Yards Glutton for Punishment

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Can we stop addressing convict Black as a lord?
Convict Black, convict tubby, or "that convict" would be acceptable. _________________ I follow, but more importantly, respect the Golden Rule. I fully and completely respect your right to be 'done on to' as you would 'do on to' others. |
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Hephaestion Deeply Shallow

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Felonious Black? (hmmm.... maybe he has a career in jazz ahead of him?) _________________ "The dignity of an animal is measured by his capacity to revolt in the face of oppression." -- Mikhail Bakunin |
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| Tehanu wrote: | | . . . whether . . . a wee felony charge on obstruction of justice would not suffice to strip him of his velour robes. . . . |
Historically, being convicted of espionage seems to be your best route to losing your honours, also election fraud and forgery.
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Sir Roger Casement was convicted of spying during the First World War, forfeited his knighthood and was executed.
Sir Jack Lyons forfeited his knighthood when he was convicted of fraud, in 1980.
Sir Anthony Blunt lost his knighthood when involved in, but never convicted of, espionage in the 1980s.
Sir Terence Lewis was stripped of his knighthood after being sentenced to prison on corruption and forgery charges in 1993.
Sir Albert Henry, former Premier of Cook Island lost his in the 1980s.
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UPDATE Just noticed this from CBC.
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July 13, 2007
CBC News
Britain's Conservative Party has said Conrad Black will no longer be able to sit as a Tory in the House of Lords following his conviction in the U.S. on charges of fraud and obstruction of justice.
"In the light of this verdict the Conservative whip will be withdrawn from Lord Black," the party said in a statement.
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m0nkyman you need arms on the left too

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"In the light of this verdict the Conservative whip will be withdrawn from Lord Black," the party said in a statement. |
Shouldn't that be Barbara's decision? _________________ "If I can not dance, I want no part in your revolution."
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leftcoastguy Fulltime enMasse Member
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This is looking better and better every time I read about it.
Canadians need to seriously give their heads a hard shake though that this creep was given even an ounce of credibility in our country. But of course this is what happens when your value system gets fucked up and money and power over others are your Gods.
| Quote: | What happens after that has yet to be determined, but it could entail doing hard time with drug dealers, sex offenders and arsonists in a low-or medium-security U.S. prison. "Being locked in a cell, he'll have to get used to that," said John Webster, a national prison and sentencing consultant with offices in New England and Los Angeles.
He said the best way for Lord Black to survive his U.S. prison term is to fly under the radar -- which he says starts with avoiding referring to himself as a lord. "Absolutely not. Not in this country. If I was him, I'd introduce myself as Connie or something. Conrad might not even fly very well."
As a foreign citizen charged in the United States, Lord Black would be considered a deportable alien by the Bureau of Prisons. According to policy, deportable aliens are not considered for federal work camps, often compared to the cushy "Club Feds" white collar criminals used to enjoy in the 1980s. A judge could request special treatment, but the final decision on Lord Black's placement lies with the Bureau of Prisons.
It makes decisions through a custody classification form that weighs such factors as the severity of the offence, sentence length and the person's status as a deportable alien.
"A person subject to deportation would never be given the opportunity to go to a camp," said Richard Crane, a Nashville defence lawyer. |
Black may serve sentence among sex offenders
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Cartman Beyond cuddly

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| No Yards wrote: | | Can we stop addressing convict Black as a lord? |
How about "King Shit of Turd Island"?
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Apart from the four convicted felons other big losers here, at least as far as credibility is concerned, are Edward Greenspan and Barbara Amiel.
| Quote: | For newly minted felon Conrad Black, the tortured wait only continues.
Black won't learn until a court hearing next Thursday whether he will be put in jail, be forced to wear an electronic monitoring anklet or can come back to Toronto to await his Nov. 30 sentencing hearing.
The more gut-wrenching turn for the 62-year-old will happen with that hearing on the final Friday in November as he will then learn the consequences of the guilty verdicts on one count of obstruction and three counts of mail fraud.
Prosecutors plan to seek a sentence of 15 to 20 years in prison. The maximum Black faces is 35 years and a $1 million (U.S.) fine.
"He has had his day in court," assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Sussman said after the verdict. "Will he show up for sentencing?" |
Bail or jail for Black?
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The Evil Twin Stoned Immaculate

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| Quote: | Apart from the four convicted felons other big losers here, at least as far as credibility is concerned, are Edward Greenspan and Barbara Amiel.
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Agree about Barbarella, not so much about Greenspan - because he's a defense attorney, he was simply doing his job. Who else (in addition to Barbarella) has lost credibility? Peter Whyte most certainly, the Tubby asskissing editor of Macleans (a once big "L" liberal rag now converted into a neocon mouthpiece), who actually testified in FAVOUR of Tubby and whose rag constantly ran fawning pieces on the so-called "supercouple" *puke*. _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford |
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Lord Black could adapt his title to something with which Americans are more comfortable, like Dark Sith Lord.  _________________ Relieve The Troops — Bring Them Home Now! |
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leftcoastguy Fulltime enMasse Member
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| The Evil Twin wrote: | | Quote: | Apart from the four convicted felons other big losers here, at least as far as credibility is concerned, are Edward Greenspan and Barbara Amiel.
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Agree about Barbarella, not so much about Greenspan - because he's a defense attorney, he was simply doing his job. Who else (in addition to Barbarella) has lost credibility? Peter Whyte most certainly, the Tubby asskissing editor of Macleans (a once big "L" liberal rag now converted into a neocon mouthpiece), who actually testified in FAVOUR of Tubby and whose rag constantly ran fawning pieces on the so-called "supercouple" *puke*. |
The difference between Greenspan and Johnnie Cochran, of "if the glove fits" fame, is that Greenspan failed at his job, yes? _________________ Thinking is so overrated.  |
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