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al-Qa'bong Fulltime enMasse Member

Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 6031 Location: A monistic vulgarity in which nobility and wisdom have been exchanged for a pale belief in progress
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: Idle No More |
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We really ought to have a thread about this, even if there's nobody here to talk about it.
Steven "Indian Giver" Harper wants to renegotiate the treaties that were agreed upon, and which should be providing a lot better living standards for First Nations people than is the case. Harper also wants to privatise reserve lands.
We all should be fighting back, as we're all treaty people. _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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What Harpo is doing is ramping up the not-so-secret policy of extermination of "the Indian problem". Most Canadians are so poorly informed of actual conditions on reserves, and the reasons for those conditions that they knee-jerk react with put-downs which blame the victims.
Privatization of reserve land is just so obviously a way to get that land into the hands of developers. Impoverished people will sell their "share" just to get their hands on some money. When enough people sell their "share", here come the development corporations and there goes the land.
Out here a great number of reserves are on what would be deemed waterfront property. At the time they were given reserve classification they were the LEAST desirable pieces, often miles from any kind of town, school, medical facility, etc., but now they are very desirable and beach frontage sells for huge money. In Campbell River a band has struck a deal with a major big box outlet, leasing them reserve land, a deal which seems to satisfy all concerned. But it's only leased, it isn't as if it has been sold...big difference.
This Harper government just gets sleazier and sleazier, nastier and nastier and it's going to prove to be a black eye in the history of this nation. And to think they taught me in school that the Nazi's had lost the goddam war!!! |
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Slumberjack Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 918 Location: squelch~~big waves and high smiles from the stomach and intestine of capital.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| anne cameron wrote: | | Most Canadians are so poorly informed of actual conditions on reserves, and the reasons for those conditions that they knee-jerk react with put-downs which blame the victims. |
I don't think it's that. They're informed well enough through various articles about housing issues, addictions, crime, etc. It's just that as beneficiaries of this system, they don't give a shit about the victims it creates out of necessity. That's been made obvious wherever one cares to look. _________________ There is this old notion, Bolshevik, a little frigid for sure; the building of the Party. I think that our present war is about giving new content to this depopulated fiction. |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: |
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People, many people, still think if the roof of a house on a reserve starts to leak, the government pays to have it repaired. They think natives can hunt and fish day or night year in and year out. They think natives don't pay tax on anything. That there's free medical, dental, eye and ear care.... and , sadly, we've all been told often enough that the biggest per centage of kids in foster care are FN kids.
It's been a well run propoganda machine and the castratti in the news media have played their part amazingly well.
The hunger strike? Some withering wit in the local coffee shop was heard to remark "she's so damned fat it'll be months before we notice any change in her...", and someone else added "she must'a been planning this for a long time, eh? She can live off her own fat until at least Easter."
I can only hope they don't represent the majority of Canadians. |
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Vundo Draxon Leftist-rightie and rightist-leftie

Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1712
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| anne cameron wrote: | People, many people, still think if the roof of a house on a reserve starts to leak, the government pays to have it repaired. They think natives can hunt and fish day or night year in and year out. They think natives don't pay tax on anything. That there's free medical, dental, eye and ear care.... and , sadly, we've all been told often enough that the biggest per centage of kids in foster care are FN kids.
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Attawapiskat: You Want to Be Shown the Money? Here it Is.
I think this is a good starting point for understanding not only Attawapiskat in particular but some of the wider issues as well. |
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sparqui Dog tired

Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 5152 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, Vundo. That's an excellent article. I suggest you look up Pam Palmater and the incredible work she is doing to educate Canadians about Aboriginal rights. I think you would find her work to be a great companion piece to Vowel's work. _________________ “If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a tractor.”
-- Gilles Duceppe |
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Hondo Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But it's only leased, it isn't as if it has been sold...big difference. |
And that is what from the way I understand it is what 415 is all about.
Giving the reserves the right to decide who and when to lease land without going through the long drawn out process of going to the federal government for permission to lease their own lands. Thereby giving the native people more freedom to make their own decisions on how to best use their own lands.
Prove me wrong and I will be on side with the Idle no more protests though I will never be on side with destruction of other peoples property or violence. _________________ Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." Winston Churchill
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill[/size] |
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al-Qa'bong Fulltime enMasse Member

Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 6031 Location: A monistic vulgarity in which nobility and wisdom have been exchanged for a pale belief in progress
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Lemme guess; you think line dancing is fine but round dancing is violent?
Hey, whatever scoots your boots, pilgrim. _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl |
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Slumberjack Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 918 Location: squelch~~big waves and high smiles from the stomach and intestine of capital.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Hondo wrote: | | I will never be on side with destruction of other peoples property or violence. |
I wouldn't say this too loudly at the meetings. They'll think you're a bleedin heart or something. _________________ There is this old notion, Bolshevik, a little frigid for sure; the building of the Party. I think that our present war is about giving new content to this depopulated fiction. |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I don't feel very protective of corporate property and when it comes to violence it seems to me the federals , the army, and the RCMP take the cake on that...the death of Fred Quilt, the shooting of Dudley George... the way the Surete handled the blockade of the Mercier bridge...it takes a certain mind-set to rough up a three year old kid...
I was never offended when Direct Action sabotaged logging equipment, especially when the logging company was in "overcut", mowing down old growth at amounts above their permitted cut quota...and it gripes me no end that the government charged so many blockaders but so far not one CEO of a major logging corporation has been charged in spite of their cavalier disregard for regulations...
they always yammer on about "level playing field" but I don't see it's very level, it has always slanted in favour of corporations and industry... so blockading the railway, or closing down a bridge or a border crossing doesn't seem particularly heinous to me... with any luck they'll close down the Parliament buildings... not that the people inside that edifice are doing anything of benefit to the nation. |
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DSquared aka Aristotleded24
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 5570 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Hondo wrote: | Giving the reserves the right to decide who and when to lease land without going through the long drawn out process of going to the federal government for permission to lease their own lands. Thereby giving the native people more freedom to make their own decisions on how to best use their own lands.
Prove me wrong and I will be on side with the Idle no more protests though I will never be on side with destruction of other peoples property or violence. |
Come again? That's exactly what the Idle No More movement is asking for. _________________ This is pre-eminently the time, to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself-Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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al-Qa'bong Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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You might have to speak up. It's probably difficult to hear or see anything from inside those circled wagons. _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl |
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sparqui Dog tired

Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 5152 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Hondo wants fee simple property rights so that the super rich, money bags developer can go door to door buying out all the plots he/she needs to get on with business. If it were an episode of Bonanza, the developer might have his own private policing cowboys around to harass the holdouts. _________________ “If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a tractor.”
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Slumberjack Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| sparqui wrote: | | If it were an episode of Bonanza, the developer might have his own private policing cowboys around to harass the holdouts. |
They'd be the Marshall, Sheriff, Deputy, the Pinkertons, or the po-lice. _________________ There is this old notion, Bolshevik, a little frigid for sure; the building of the Party. I think that our present war is about giving new content to this depopulated fiction. |
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al-Qa'bong Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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This just came in the mail....
| Quote: | PRESS RELEASE
January 14, 2013
Aboriginal Spring or Intifada?
The winds of change that swept across the globe have reached our shores.
The world watched as peoples whose suffering can be measured in decades rose up for dignity and justice. Tenacious Aboriginals who have suffered for centuries on their land are no longer remaining idle in the face of continuing injustices.
Correcting the wrongs of the past should not await a First Nations spring or intifada. The Harper government would be well advised to change course in dealing with Aboriginals and their legitimate grievances. It is far too easy to continue the course that successive Canadian governments have taken in dealing with First Nations; although vastly different consequences may ensue this time around. An open and honest dialogue that is free of the hateful stereotypes which many attribute to Canada’s Indigenous population is a necessary starting point to addressing this pressing and just cause.
The Canadian Arab Federation supports the rights and interests of First Nations and their endeavour to correct the mistakes of the past and present. CAF calls on Harper to seize the practices of the past which demonize any group that stands up to the government’s injustices. The rights of First Nations have been usurped for far too long. Far too much suffering has taken place, and it is crucial for the sake of future generations not to surpass the tipping point of this human tragedy.
Canadian Arab Federation
http://www.caf.ca
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The CAF's calling the Idle No More movement an "intifada" ought to cause a few right wingers' blood pressure to rise to dangerous levels. _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl |
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Hondo Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Hondo wants fee simple property rights so that the super rich, money bags developer can go door to door buying out all the plots he/she needs to get on with business. |
EFN BS you have NO eFn idea what I want or who I am!!!!
Again my understanding of the legislation was to grant more control and freedom to the native leadership in making decisions to allow the reserves the ability to lease their land (NO SALES ALLOWED).
Again prove me wrong and until you people gain the capacity to actually read minds don't pretend to know what I think.
The one thing I do think for sure is there needs to be an end to race based enforcement of the law and much more accountability of were the money is going. Given the billions being handed over to aboriginal people I don't believe the rank in file should be living in squaller while the mayors and councilors are living like kings.
I am sure the responses to this will be to call me a racist ( the first argument of the weak) so I will need to say that is also BS. I have worked with natives most of my life even worked for a native owned company. To this day I consider that owner a good friend even having him and his family to my home for Christmas a couple of times.I have many native other friends, have dated several, lived with one for 3 years.
This small glimpse into my life will never end those who dislike me but may help dispell the racist crap many like to throw against those with whom they disagree _________________ Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." Winston Churchill
"The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is." Winston Churchill[/size] |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, sure "billions" just handed over willynilly with no strings attached and the band councillors are driving Hummers while....THIS is what I meant when I said most Canadians were ignorant of the actual conditions on reserve... every cent of "indian money" is supposed to be supervised by the federal government...so IF there has been mishandling of that money what were the supposed watchdogs doing other than cashing their paycheques? You want accountability? Start at the top, start with the feds...why does Bombardier need a big chunk of money and more tax breaks, they're doing just fine... why do the five major banks get a free ride?... how come so much has been spent looking into the bloody jets we're supposed to need so badly and why have we been consistently lied to...
It is just too frikken easy to blame First Nations people...blame the victim and kiss the ass of the victimizer...blaming the FN people satisfies the hidden and often not-so-hidden racism of the blamers...
the entire system stinks. How many miles of what used to be reserve land have somehow wound up in the hands of off-shore developers? And how did that happen?
I wish I had the time and energy to fill you in on the stinking deals between the United Church, the logging corporation, and the federal government that saw so much of what was Ahousat land taken away from them. And what good did it do them to go to court?
And what good does it do to try to get the bigots to remove their blinders and find out the truth. |
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al-Qa'bong Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Again prove me wrong and until you people gain the capacity to actually read minds don't pretend to know what I think. |
It isn't a case of anyone trying to read your mind; we're reading what you say. Perhaps the problem lies somewhere between your mind and the keyboard.
Anyway, carry on; a man oughta do what he thinks is right. _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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The Village of Tahsis has a policy of letting the Moachat-Muchalat know ahead of time if anything the Village does will, in any way at all, impact on traditional territory. If it will, the Village meets with the Moachat-Muchalat chief and council, and , together, they discuss what might be a problem. So far there has been NO dispute, the discussions have been friendly and have demonstrated mutual respect, and guess what...it wasn't difficult!
You have to know I'm pre-prejudiced. I have five granddaughters who are status band members. Big house tradition teaches that until they are old enough to speak for themselves it is my duty as grandmother to speak for them.
Traditionally, pre-contact, the year-round spring at what is now called Esperanza, was considered a healing site, and particularly good for any problems with the liver. Consequently, the NuuChaNulth were used to going there when they felt ill. Come Contact, the "shanty men" missionaries took advantage of this and set up their first medical clinic at Esperanza. Today there's a large enterprise there, although all things medical get handled by the Clinic in Tahsis.
Esperanza does family councilling and has an effective and much needed drug and alcohol rehab programme. In the summertime they have kids camps which are very popular.
I have no quarrel with the people who work at Esperanza. But recently the federal government, with NO consultation with First Nations, granted Esperanza a ninety-nine year lease on what has been FN traditional territory since 'forever'.
And that is wrong. There should have been consultation and the lease should not have been for ninety-nine years.
Some time ago, reading the Gold River newspaper, I noticed a classified which said the Regional District was going to have third and final reading on an application to start a wind farm at Tatchu Point. Tatchu is the traditional "property" of my granddaughters family. Their grandpa was hereditary chief of Tatchu. So, of course, I phoned my daughter and asked her about the wind farm and what it would mean to their traditional use of and claim to Tatchu. She knew nothing about it. She contacted her band office. They knew nothing about it. Some scurrying, and at the Regional Board meeting there was official notification that the FN were NOT in favour of the Regional Board giving permission for a wind farm at Tatchu Point.
It was voted down.
I have nothing against wind farms. The wind farm was never the problem. The problem is that not only the federals ignore traditional claims, even local and regional government can blunder in without checking anything.
If Idle No More makes people more aware of traditional use and claim then it will have made giant steps in helping protect my granddaughters claims to land which have been protected by the family for more than ten thousand years.
And the rest of us have to do better than we've done in the past! |
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Slumberjack Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Hondo wrote: | | Again my understanding of the legislation was to grant more control and freedom to the native leadership in making decisions to allow the reserves the ability to lease their land (NO SALES ALLOWED). |
Sales are not necessary when resource extraction companies can make deals with certain political cronies (eg: Penashue) to render land into moonscape after all value has been plundered. Why would corporations want to own anything under the circumstances?
| Quote: | | Given the billions being handed over to aboriginal people I don't believe the rank in file should be living in squaller while the mayors and councilors are living like kings. |
Billions owed Hondo...owed. It's like paying your electricity bill every month as a consumer of electricity. People complain of course about 'handing over' money to the utilities, but at the same time they know they're getting something in return that they cannot do without. Substitute 'electricity' for 'North and South America' in terms of its importance to settlers, to get an idea of the scale of your error. If we applied the example of the average electricity customer to that of the settler, it would be similar to the consumer refusing to pay for the resources being used because the consumer feels that the electricity should be provided to them free of charge. But it doesn't stop there, because the consumer in this example would also re-route and steal electricity from their neighbors, who the consumer doesn't like to look of anyway, and who are left to freeze in the dark as a result.
| Quote: | | I am sure the responses to this will be to call me a racist ( the first argument of the weak) so I will need to say that is also BS. I have worked with natives most of my life even worked for a native owned company. To this day I consider that owner a good friend even having him and his family to my home for Christmas a couple of times.I have many native other friends, have dated several, lived with one for 3 years. |
It's difficult to escape the perception here of ventriloquism. You present a list of acquaintances with the intent that it speak to your good character, but it's your lips that are moving.
| Quote: | | but may help dispell the racist crap many like to throw against those with whom they disagree |
Sorry to say, but it doesn't dispell it at all in fact. _________________ There is this old notion, Bolshevik, a little frigid for sure; the building of the Party. I think that our present war is about giving new content to this depopulated fiction. |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Hondo:
You refute any suggestion of racism because , among other points, you have dated FN women, even lived with one for three years.
My ex-husband of 17 years was an avionics instructor. Do you really want ME to fix your airplane? |
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The Evil Twin Stoned Immaculate

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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| anne cameron wrote: | Dear Hondo:
You refute any suggestion of racism because , among other points, you have dated FN women, even lived with one for three years.
My ex-husband of 17 years was an avionics instructor. Do you really want ME to fix your airplane? |
Good one Anne.
I do find it disturbing that the old "Hey I can't be a racist, some of my best friends are members of 'Group X'" has been updated to "Hey I can't be a racist, I used to be married to a member of 'Group X'". (There are variations, if not married, it may be dated or lived with). I have been hearing it more and more in my personal life as well. _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford |
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al-Qa'bong Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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At first I thought, "That makes no sense. Why would anyone want to be with someone if he is prejudiced against that person's ethnicity?"
Then I remembered a couple of white women I know who dated First Nations guys just to annoy their fathers. That's a rather racist motivation. _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
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cco Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:57 am Post subject: |
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It could be even simpler than that -- people have an amazing capacity for special pleading. When I first brought my wife to meet my aunt, uncle, and cousins in West Texas/New Mexico, I expressed some concern about the attitudes they were likely to display -- these are the kind of people who watch only FOX News, listen to only Christian radio, send their children to entirely Christian schools, make constant remarks about the "Mexican takeover", and think there's a war on Christmas in Lubbock.
The response I got from them was revealing and dismaying at the same time: "We're not like that with real people." Indeed, they loved her, at the same time as they were cheering on the bombing of her people. (It probably didn't hurt that she's not Muslim.) I've seen them socialize at work and church with people of the same ethnicities they constantly complain are threatening their way of life, and I don't think it's just so they can tell themselves they're not racist. They just don't make the connection between the anonymous faceless mob of brown people out to destroy them and the actual, living brown people they interact with personally on a daily basis. |
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Maestro Fulltime enMasse Member
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| cco wrote: | | ...They just don't make the connection between the anonymous faceless mob of brown people out to destroy them and the actual, living brown people they interact with personally on a daily basis. |
This is the truth, strange as it may seem. It is kind of convoluted, but I think people may be biased against a certain 'race', but at the same time accept that some members of that 'race' are ok. Especially ones whom they actually meet.
By the way, there was an excellent local call in show yesterday (here in Vancouver) where the radio show actually interviewed a real social scientist on the issue of race. The interviewee was quite clear that 'race' is a social construct, not a scientific one. He was also very clear that racism is a power relationship wherein the racist has the power to affect others lives. He also made it clear that there are greater differences within 'races' than there are between them.
It was refreshing to hear some real comment about race and racism. I don't expect it will change many minds, but one never knows... _________________ On the wilds of the Drive |
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al-Qa'bong Fulltime enMasse Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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While listening to CFCR's "Radio Active" last night I heard an essay on how our First Nations are subsidizing Canadians billions of dollars every year via the royalties and taxes that mining companies, etc. pay to the government rather than to the people on whose lands the wealth is extracted.
I tried finding a website for the show, so I could track down the essay, but found this instead.
http://cfcr.ca/blog/watch-idle-no-more-activists-interviewed/
| Quote: | | Yesterday afternoon, host Don Kossick came by CFCR’s studios to record an episode of his program Making The Links with U of S professor and activist Dr. Priscilla Settee and Idle No More co-founder Sheelah McLean |
_________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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So I have grandchildren who are status FN. And , yes, I am pre-prejudiced. No quarrel there.
My grandchildren are so totally physically beautiful I cannot believe they share DNA with me. My face will never be my fortune. Or, considering the sad state of finances, perhaps it is!! Any or all of these treasures could improve the covers of any magazine.
And I cannot count the number of times otherwise "nice" people have said, in their hearing, some version of "oh, they're so cute when they're small, aren't they?"
The unspoken part being that once they're adult they'll be ugly as sin.
Too often we don't even recognize racism. Right now I have members of my family whom I have loved all my life who are sending me all manner of absolute shite purporting to "prove" that IdleNoMore is a rip-off and a danger to the economy of Canada. Chief Spence is all manner of awful. Her boyfriend is a redneck crook. And virtually all chiefs and band councils are corrupt.
Any of these people would yelp with indignation if they were called racists.
Interestingly, many of them would quite gladly chip in to buy boat tickets to send all Muslims "back where they came from".
They aren't racists either, to hear them tell it. No, they're patriotic Canadians who believe we should all speak English, stay off welfare, pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, and sing God Save The Queen.
And still, I love most of them. Some I don't. I don't understand them, and I often don't understand me, either! |
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Slumberjack Fulltime enMasse Member
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| anne cameron wrote: | | Any of these people would yelp with indignation if they were called racists. |
The state is racist because the structure of the economy depends on it. For people living under the state, and the economy, which are essentially the same thing, racist indoctrination sets in as early as possible. Even those of us who may profess of some immunity from the influence of the state in this regard often find that we are not completely free of it, because it is in the very language that we speak. The words and acts that betray an individual's racist tendencies have an origin, or a first cause as it were. There is no absolution of the individual in this, just a recognition of the scope of the problem that must be dealt with in its entirety if we're eventually to move on from this curse. _________________ There is this old notion, Bolshevik, a little frigid for sure; the building of the Party. I think that our present war is about giving new content to this depopulated fiction. |
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DSquared aka Aristotleded24
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A Christian perspective on Idle No More:
| Quote: | We applaud the dedication of Chief Theresa Spence, but as she makes clear, the movement is not about a hunger strike; it is about just treatment and respect. When the dignity of a people is subjected to relentless pressure to conform to foreign values; when agreements are pushed aside time and again with contempt; when division among First Nations is introduced to ensure economic prosperity for others, it is like the abusive spouse who, having apologized, repeats the abuse yet again.
When Christians hear the word "treaty" they must recognize that the Old Testament perspective of "covenant" is invoked in Indigenous people's understanding. These are not business contracts, promises that can be set aside when a signatory defaults, changes her mind, or in the case of recent and infamous business fiascos, bankrupt the company. Nor can these treaties be unilaterally legislated out of existence.
As Christians, we ought to be clear: the rule of law is wholly inadequate for governance if justice is absent. Omnibus legislation is not the place to deal with treaty–related issues let alone the other important considerations within its many pages that impact all Canadians. Such an approach is the stuff of U.S. politics, and provides adequate evidence that government claims of concern for "all Canadians" are vacuous. |
_________________ This is pre-eminently the time, to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself-Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
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This arrived this morning. Much of it, I have been aware of, the new
warrants a search and peak as additional resources.
ABORIGINAL JUSTICE/PALESTINE REFLECTION: Recognizing Palestine in my Jewish identity
by Emily Green, CPT intern, Aboriginal Justice TeamI, CPTnet, 08 February 2013
[ In partnership with Jewish and Muslim women, Emily Green has organized an interfaith fundraising dinner for Christian Peacemaker Teams in Toronto, 14 February 2013. ]
| Quote: | "Where is Palestine?" I asked my mother.
"You don’t know?!" she replied incredulously. "Palestine isn’t a real place. It doesn’t exist."
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http://www.cpt.org/cptnet/2013/02/08/aboriginal-justicepalestine-re... |
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DSquared aka Aristotleded24
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The true scandal of First Nations Funding:
| Quote: | When she was Auditor General, Sheila Fraser repeatedly warned that the management and funding system the Government imposes on First Nations would almost inevitably lead to problems of the sort Deloitte and Touche identified in Attawapiskat.
Fraser's most recent damning report on the entire system came out in June of 2011.
It got some scattered media attention at the time, but was generally treated as "same old, same old" -- not as the unmitigated scandal Fraser evidently thought it was.
In the fall of 2011, when Aboriginal Affairs officials went before the Commons Public Accounts Committee to answer to Fraser's charges, no media -- except for rabble.ca -- thought that worthy of any coverage. |
Where did the Attawapiskat money go?
Were Europeans inherently more civilized than the First Nations?
| Quote: | Almost 500 years ago, when Jacques Cartier visited the town of Hochelaga on Montreal Island, he encountered the eastern outliers of an agricultural civilization that stretched westward to the Great Plains, and from there southwards to the Amazonian forests and the deserts of Chile. When Champlain travelled through southern Ontario four centuries ago, the population of the area was estimated at between 50,000 and 75,000, living in farming towns with up to 1,000 or more inhabitants. Similar levels of social complexity existed among non-agricultural peoples living in productive environments such as those along the coasts and salmon rivers of British Columbia.
Before the devastating effects of Old World diseases, offshoots of the great civilizations of Mexico extended up the Mississippi Valley as far as the neighbourhood of St. Louis, where between 1,000 and 1,200 AD the city of Cahokia had a population estimated at 20,000 people — about the same as that of London during the same period. Economic links, and probably political and religious influences, stretched northward to reach the farmers of Ontario and the buffalo-hunting peoples of the western Plains.
There were certainly technological and social differences between the peoples on either side of the Atlantic when they first came into contact, but these were nowhere as great as we generally assume.
When Cartier visited Hochelaga, my own Scots ancestors were illiterate farmers living in tiny communities of huts built from turf and boulders, barely surviving on what they could grow in rocky soils or catch along the local coast. Unless chased from their homes by the local wars that plagued the region, they probably never travelled more than a few kilometres from their native village and they knew little of “European civilization.” The world that they occupied — a world of small, family-based communities living directly from the land — was much closer to that of 16th-century aboriginal Canadians than to that of their 21st-century descendants. |
_________________ This is pre-eminently the time, to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself-Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Inherently more civilized?
I don't know as much as I'd like to know about "eastern" FN tribal life, but here on Vancouver Island the pre-contact people considered newborn infants to have full citizenship.
Yes, there was slavery, and yes, there were on-going inter-tribal wars, and yes there was social inequity...we still have all of that today and there's no real difference between a "slave" and a "wage slave"...
but children, even the children of slaves , were much better treated. |
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Sibjyn Fulltime enMasse Member
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| anne cameron wrote: | we still have all of that today and there's no real difference between a "slave" and a "wage slave"...
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You must be joking.  |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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Not joking at all. Why would you think I was joking?
Or don't you know any immigrant women working as nannies...or at piece work garment industry jobs...or... |
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Sibjyn Fulltime enMasse Member
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| anne cameron wrote: | Not joking at all. Why would you think I was joking?
Or don't you know any immigrant women working as nannies...or at piece work garment industry jobs...or... |
Because stating that there's no real difference between being a slave and a wage slave is ridiculous. Try telling that to the descendant of people who were actually slaves.
And yes I do know immigrant women working in lousy jobs, my mother in law is one of them. |
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anne cameron Fulltime enMasse Member
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I don't think we need to argue. We can just agree we disagree and leave it at that.
I've never been a slave, and I suspect you haven't, either. But out here we get repeated reports of mostly women brought over to be domestic help and then treated in terrible ways...passport confiscated...underpaid... no real time off... sexual assault... it's really very disgusting and we aren't, as a nation, doing enough to protect these "guest workers". We have one case dragging on interminably where a group of tree planters were taken halfway to the back of beyond, "housed" in inadequate tents, fed slop instead of food, worked long hours in miserable conditions and not paid... now they are in limbo, waiting for legal action to happen, hoping for a ticket back home, unable to work at any other job... |
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
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| NTYC, I am siding with Anne. Her meanings were lucid to me when not over-generalized; whereas, differentiating historical slavery from modern captivity or abuse seems to confuse words with their underlying reality <g> as Anne's examples are far too common (NO,La; ... , Israel, ..., China). |
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