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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:06 am Post subject: Favourite TV Villains

Well, Red John, of The Mentalist, doesn't appear to be Patrick Jane's nemesis any more (although I bet he's still alive). A serial killer with a flair for finger-painting has to be up there on anyone's list of bad guys.

Nevertheless, I'm putting Will Weaton, AKA Wesley Crusher, up there as the evillest character on TV today. His behaviour on Big Bang Theory is completely reprehensible. As Sheldon observed, he isn't above telling lies about the death of his grandmother (I have no idea how to spell "Me Maw").
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sparqui · Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:38 am Post subject:

I haven't watched "The Mentalist" in ages but I do remember Red John.

I've been catching up on "The Wire" and I just love Omar.
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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:12 pm Post subject:

Boy, what a topsy turvy world we live in.

A couple of weeks ago we found out that the guy Patrick Jane killed wasn't Red John after all, and last night Will Wheaton gave Sheldon an autographed doll, causing Sheldon to make him his new friend.

Brent Spiner is now on Sheldon's enemies list, however, although he's hardly villainous.

I just know Will Wheaton will betray Sheldon again, despite appearances, because he's so evil.
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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:08 am Post subject:

The writers of Big Bang Theory are becoming the show's worst villains.

I fear this show has jumped the shark. The Raj-Penny sexual fiasco is one thing, but Sheldon, who was once a plausible caricature of a science nerd, has now become a parody of his erstwhile character.
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Diane Demorney · Bazinga! Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 4746 Location: Calgary

The writers this season seem to be making Sheldon more child-like all the time. It just seems off, to me. However, I still have a great deal of love for this show. I do agree that making Wil Wheaton Sheldon's friend seems odd; but now maybe we'll see more of Brent Spiner?
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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject:

What about a villain in Boardwalk Empire? Is there one? Everyone seems to have some degree of villainy, or at least is corrupt in some way. In that respect it is much like The Sopranos, where nobody was innocent.

Speaking of moral ambiguity, Nurse Jackie is a villain, yet she's a good nurse. Then there's that other anti-heroine, Nancy Botwin, from Weeds, who seems to be somewhat based on Becky Sharp.
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cco · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:14 am Post subject:

Gustavo Fring from Breaking Bad. No question about it.

al-Q, I'm a fan of Richard Harrow, who I think makes a good villain.

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:31 am Post subject:

I dunno, to me Harrow doesn't exude any sense of villainy, he just seems emotionally damaged by the Great War.

He realises he is missing something, and at times appears to want it back, although at other times he accepts his lot rather matter-of-factly.
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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:00 am Post subject:

So sympathetic Richard has to be talked out of suicide by a couple of rustics, only to go scalp a guy later that day on the order of that other emotional no-man's land, Jimmy....
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Sibjyn · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject:

Joffrey Baratheon in Game of Thrones.....oh I hate that little brat.

TS. · Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject:

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject:

Yikes, that Philadelphia butcher is a nasty man. I didn't see Angela's death coming at all. I thought her character was a good vehicle to portray 1920s art and culture.
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cco · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:08 pm Post subject:

Are we making this a Boardwalk Empire thread, al-Q? (I'm game!) Very Happy

I realized Angela was dead as soon as I saw the silhouette outside her window while she was alone in bed. Louise took me by surprise, though. I don't think BE ever figured out what to do with Angela; she seemed there to provide conflict for Jimmy, eye candy (and my wife and I will miss her), and padding.

Back on the subject of Richard, the brief standoff between him and Owen Sleater is one of my favourite moments of the season so far (along with McGarrigle's death), and based on yesterday, I'm hoping we may get to see more between those two. Also required: More Chalky. Less Commodore. And please, please, more Arnold Rothstein. He increasingly strikes me as the only competent character on the entire show.

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject:

I thought it was funny how Margaret tried to bribe God.

I dunno, but Al Capone seems to be the only character in this series with a moral core.

Yeah, I like Chalky, and Rothstien's character has another eight years of legs before he gets bumped off.

Will arch-floozy Lucy D. start kicking the gong around next season? Come to think of it, Jimmy has already tried chasing the dragon, so maybe he's going to go off the deep end.
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

The Evil Twin · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:13 am Post subject:

Gawd I'm such an uncultured boor. With the exception of Big Bang Theory I've never watched any of the other stuff named in this thread. In some cases, I haven't even heard of them.
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cco · Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:48 am Post subject:

Crap, how did I fail to mention the fantastic (and Canadian) Durham County, which has languished in such obscurity I've resorted to individually cajoling people into watching it so that I can discuss it with them? (And if anyone from enMasse takes the bait, I'll create a thread for that.) Hard to pick just one villain on that show, though.

ETA: al-Q, isn't that the basic idea behind all of Catholicism? Very Happy

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject:

Will Jimmy rub out Nucky's family, because he mistakenly thinks Thompson had his wife killed, or will Richard track down the Philly butcher and peel his face off with a rusty bayonet?
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

cco · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:11 am Post subject:

I figured Jimmy would be the most obvious suspect, to Richard and the police alike, and that the season's dénouement (set up earlier with Richard's disgust that Jimmy doesn't appreciate what he has, and his scenes with Angela) would be Richard going after Jimmy. So now I'm on record for when I turn out to be completely wrong. Very Happy

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:24 am Post subject:

Hmm, you could be right. The jealous husband angle certainly makes Jimmy look like a probable suspect, unless those hoodlums in NYC give Jimmy an alibi.
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

cco · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:17 am Post subject:

Wow. Looks like the action in Boardwalk Empire this season is Pareto-distributed. Holy crap. No wonder Jimmy thought World War 1 was the only sufficient source of mental floss.

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:27 am Post subject:

Well, his erstwhile pals aren't going to be any help.

Geez, that Princeton flashback, with all the Jocastan allusions, was truly nauseous, then Jimmy ends up bumping off the Commodore in the penultimate scene.

What's next, he'll poke his eyen out with his trench knife?
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

cco · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:57 am Post subject:

So help me figure this out -- was I wrong to assume at the end of last episode that Jimmy was going to Princeton for exile in the "present"? If he did, did we simply not see any of that trip (or did I miss it)? If not, where was he most of the episode?

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:34 am Post subject:

I thought he took a load of hooch to Princeton to sell it. He must have stayed there.

He told Angela in the last episode that he was going to New York too, though, didn't he?
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

sparqui · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject:

That episode was something else. Who would of thought the Commodore would have that much strength after suffering a massive stroke. And I loved Nucky's reaction to the long spoon parable.
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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject:

Jimmy's mother is becoming eviller and eviller with every scene.

How about this for a season finale? van Alden will kidnap Mrs. Schroeder and take her to some underground hideaway where he'll perform unspeakable religio-perversions upon her temple of sin.

Then a redeemer will make an entrance and they'll go off to gloryland together.
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

sparqui · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject:

Maybe Gillian will use her "whiles" to lure Manny into bed. Reward or revenge will be the outcome. Maybe Richard will do a two for one clean-up.
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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:50 pm Post subject:

I could see "reward" maybe. She doesn't mind Angela's being murdered at all.

Yeah, Richard's due for a big scene or major role in an episode. Gillian's calling him a simpleton would be an additional provocation.
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cco · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject:

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:56 pm Post subject:

Nope, I didn't catch "I would prefer not to."

Would Nucky therefore be the White Whale in this tale?

And here I was thinking that this wasn't a terribly cultured discussion.
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

sparqui · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:09 am Post subject:

The Princeton flashbacks kind or reminded me more of F. Scott Fitzgerald.
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al-Qa'bong · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:38 am Post subject:

Geez, playing "Look For the Silver Lining" while Nucky bumps off Jimmy?

I didn't see that coming either.

I'd been rooting for Nucky until that. He's not nice at all. Where's Tony Soprano when you need him?

I suppose Nucky and Jimmy's mom will end up together by the end of the series.
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

cco · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:00 am Post subject:

Good for BE for having the courage to follow through on where the plot demanded it go. A lot of other shows I've been watching (Dexter, Sons of Anarchy) have gone to ludicrous lengths to keep characters around and put off crucial plot developments.

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:28 am Post subject:

I thought Nucky'd have Jimmy ice Margaret. Jimmy went way out of his way to make it up to Nucky, who bushwacked him anyway, maybe at Eli's suggestion.

The Eli-Enoch Greek tragedy will have to play out somehow next season.

Richard is going to go Macbeth on the cast any episode now...

The music on the show is going to start getting better; 1923 saw a lot of progress from the rinky-tink stuff that existed until then.
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

sparqui · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:11 am Post subject:

Was that the season finale?

I heard rumour that Jimmy would get killed but I didn't think it would be by Nucky. What the hell? And why?

The other gangsters didn't care if the Philadelphia Butcher was killed. So I don't understand why Jimmy and not him?

And holy f*ck, Margaret signing over the property deed for that tract of land (where they plan to build a highway) to the church. That's doesn't bode well.

As for the Commodore's death and will, seems like history is easily re-written.
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cco · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject:

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:33 am Post subject:

It looks as if "Chuck" has bitten the dust, despite the heroes' vanquishing of all the villains.

This is probably a good thing, as the show has gone kind of goofy over the last season (and this from a show based in goofiness).
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

Raos · Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I was not much a fan of this last season.

ronb · Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject:

We have been watching Breaking Bad, and enjoying that quite a bit.

Vundo Draxon · Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:16 am Post subject:

Jim Moriarty, from the BBC Sherlock. So delightfully insane and so, so evil.

6079_Smith_W · Fulltime enMasse Member Joined: 15 Nov 2011 Posts: 571

I was terribly disappointed in the show when it went sideways, but I'd say any discussion of villains has to include Benjamin from Lost.

And I don't see Richard Harrow as a villain on the order of most of the other characters in BE.

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject:

6079_Smith_W · Fulltime enMasse Member Joined: 15 Nov 2011 Posts: 571

Of course I am happy they caught that guy, but you would think an MIT dude would be smart enough to case the joint and see they weren't waiting for him, especially with an obvious trap like that.

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:33 am Post subject:

One point that The Big Bang Theory has been making throughout the series is that these geniuses aren't smart in everything.
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:01 am Post subject:

Toby on East Bound and Down is some kinda Damian/The Omen character.

Will Kenny Powers get back on track now that April has taken Toby back?

[ed.] I just looked up this show on the Intertubes and found that it's in its third and last season now. I just started watching it a few weeks ago. Heck fire!
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"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl

cco · Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject:

I suddenly realized this thread had been allowed to exist without a mention of Boyd Crowder from Justified, and felt an immediate urge to rectify this omission.

al-Qa'bong · Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject:

I recorded a movie about Arnold Rothstein that was on TV a couple of weeks ago. David Janssen ("The Fugitive" and the lesser-known "O'Hara") plays Rothstein, and Mickey Rooney is his sidekick.

I haven't been able to finish watching it. That Boardwalk Empire guy has ruined me for any other Arnold Rothstein.
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Slumberjack · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:54 pm Post subject:

Slumberjack · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:54 am Post subject:

Anyways, I watched a back episode of Real Time the other day with the On Demand service, because there happened to be a guest I wanted to hear from, but was first expected to endure Dan Rather as the guest directly following the opening monologue. Not that he was any favorite of mine or anything, but he definitely qualifies as a villain, and an unrepentant one at that for his many years of villainy on TV.
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Caissa · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject:

Favourite TV villain: Will Wheaton, Brent Spiner, Joyce Kim,Eric Gablehauser, Priya Koothrappali, Kurt, Dennis Kim, Leslie Winkle