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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adding to my RSS sources, I happened on this 'light' read.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/11/burning-questions.h...

Your Top 20 Econundrums—Solved!
NEWS: Disposable or cloth diapers? Netflix or video store? Our green advice guide goes way beyond paper v. plastic.
By Ben Whitford; November/December 2008 Issue
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While world leaders hash out whether to tax carbon or trade it, the rest of us wrestle with our own environmental quandaries: Paper or plastic? Dishwasher or sink? Drive or fly? Here's how to pick what's best for the planet.

Paper or Plastic?
Netflix or Video Store?
Laptop or Desktop?
Read the Paper in Print or Online?
Candles or CFL?
Manual or Automatic Transmission?
Wash Your Car or Keep It Dirty?
Car Windows Down or Run the AC?
Idle Your Car or Turn It Off?
Gas or Diesel?
Workweek: Five Days or Four?
Fake Leather or Real?
Laundry: Night or Day?
Disposal or Trash Can?
Dishwasher or Sink?
Paper Towels or Electric Drier?
Pill or Condom?
Diapers: Disposable, Flushable, or Cloth?
Fake Grass or Real Grass?
Death: Buried or Burned?


Then, followup with something lighter http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/11/green-and-greener.h...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot Argentinian Man Melts to Draw Attention to Global Warming
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon trade has some realism added.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081209125830.htm

Secret Ingredient For The Health Of Tropical Rainforests Discovered
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ScienceDaily (Dec. 10, 2008) — A team of researchers led by Princeton University scientists has found for the first time that tropical rainforests, a vital part of the Earth's ecosystem, rely on the rare trace element molybdenum to capture the nitrogen fertilizer needed to support their wildly productive growth. Most of the nitrogen that supports the rapid, lush growth of rainforests comes from tiny bacteria that can turn nitrogen in the air into fertilizer in the soil.

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The discovery has implications for global climate change policy, the scientists said. Previously, researchers knew little about rainforests' capacity to absorb the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide. If molybdenum is central to the biochemical processes involved in the uptake of carbon dioxide, then there may be limits to how much carbon that tropical rainforests can absorb.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two more.
Keeping the planet and inhabitants in focus:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-12/su-ww121008.php

Wind, water and sun beat biofuels, nuclear and coal for clean energy, Stanford researcher says
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The best ways to improve energy security, mitigate global warming and reduce the number of deaths caused by air pollution are blowing in the wind and rippling in the water, not growing on prairies or glowing inside nuclear power plants, says Mark Z. Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Stanford.

And "clean coal," which involves capturing carbon emissions and sequestering them in the earth, is not clean at all, he asserts.

...


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Great, with some work and equipment, I can produce one teaspoon of biodiesel a day, which is enough to go how far or power a generator how long, after burning how much to get it here.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-12/acs-wcg121008.php

Waste coffee grounds offer new source of biodiesel fuel
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Researchers in Nevada are reporting that waste coffee grounds can provide a cheap, abundant, and environmentally friendly source of biodiesel fuel for powering cars and trucks. Their study has been published online in the American Chemical Society's (ACS) Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a bi-weekly publication.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Waste coffee grounds offer new source of biodiesel fuel


Hmmm....I could start a factory.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Waste coffee grounds offer new source of biodiesel fuel
Hmmm....I could start a factory.

For two teaspoons of bio-diesel a day, instead of my one? I do envy your teleporting the beans via energy-free 'quantum strings' or whatever though. <g> OTT, what about the Stanford science pundit's piece?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that the official period used to determine annual average global temperatures is December through November, as opposed to the January through December calendar year. That means that the last 10 years hasn't covered the 1998 El Nino, and the consequent anomalously high temperatures of 1998, for some time now. Which means that global warming/climate change denialists can no longer cherry pick 1998 to compare to 2008 and insist that the temperature trend is down over "the last 10 years."

Although it wasn't "down" in any case, because the length of time period needed to separate a long-term trend in climate from the year-to-year and longer variation in weather "noise" is commonly accepted as 30 years, but even using the denialists' too-short 10 year period it's more than clear that the trend is up, not down.
Here's what the trend for "the last ten years" now looks like:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:1999/plot/uah/from:1999/t...

[Thanks to bob at Open Mind]
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/2008-temperature-summaries-a...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bshmr wrote:

Waste coffee grounds offer new source of biodiesel fuel


Yet another techtopian free energy wet dream.

It will create hope, headlines, and a failed startup, but in the end, the energy economics of it will prevail, and it will become clear that it never could have worked due to the process taking more energy than it returns.

Far better to use the use the grounds as fertilizer, compost, or soil amendment.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New EU Prez: Global Warming Is A Myth

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The Czech Republic took over the six month rotating presidency of the European Union from France last week. The EU's new figurehead leader, Czech President Vaclav Kraus, believes that global warming is a myth, prompting Prague to scramble to keep Kraus as far away from Brussels as possible.

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The European Union's new figurehead believes that climate change is a dangerous myth and has compared the union to a Communist state. The views of President Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic, 67, have left the government of Mirek Topolanek, his bitter opponent, determined to keep him as far away as possible from the EU presidency, which it took over from France yesterday.

The Czech president, who caused a diplomatic incident by dining with opponents of the EU’s Lisbon treaty on a recent visit to Ireland, has a largely ceremonial role. But there are already fears that, after the dynamic EU presidency of Nicolas Sarkozy - including his hyper-active attempts at international diplomacy over the credit crisis and Georgia as well as an historic agreement to cut greenhouse gases - the Czech effort will be mired in infighting and overshadowed by the platform it will give to Mr Klaus and his controversial views. Czech diplomats in Brussels insist that Mr Klaus is not a big part of their plans and are trying to limit him to one speech to the European Parliament in February and chairing one international summit, either the EU-Canada or EU-Russia meeting.


The Czech Republic is the only member of the 27-nation EU that has not yet voted on the Lisbon Treaty, a sweeping set of reforms for the now bigger EU. Ireland voted against it and Poland's president refused to ratify it without those two nations, citing the treaty's unanimous vote requirement.

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The treaty was rejected by Irish voters in a referendum on 12 June 2008 and, under EU rules, it cannot enter into force if any of the 27 member states fails to ratify it. Since then, the Czechs have delayed their parliamentary ratification and Poland's President Lech Kaczynski has refused to ratify the treaty for the time being, calling it "pointless". The treaty, signed in Lisbon in December 2007, was drawn up to replace the draft European constitution, which was thrown out by voters in France and the Netherlands in 2005.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, total dork on global warming. He may have a point on the EU and the Lisbon Treaty. Certainly what I heard about the draft European constitution the Lisbon Treaty is replacing wasn't good. At least part of it was apparently a bid to give neoliberal ideas unassailable legal status.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arctic melt 20 years ahead of climate models

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New Scientist reports that the Arctic could become ice-free during summers by 2030.

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At the time, researchers including Mark Serreze of National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado claimed that the Arctic had reached a "tipping point" - a dramatic and irreversible slide towards ice-free conditions.

As the summer melting season finished up this year, they waited with bated breath to see how much, if any, ice would survive.

4.67 million square kilometres remained at the end of September. A positive interpretation says that the Arctic defied the apocalyptic prophecies by recovering slightly, thanks to a pattern of colder and windier weather.

But Serreze is sticking to the idea that we have reached a point of no return.

"If you look over the past five years, you see an acceleration of ice loss," says Serreze. Though 2008 did not beat the record set by 2007, it is still the second-lowest amount on record, below the record lows of 2002 and 2005.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much of China's rapidly increasing CO2 emissions are actually outsourced US emissions, since the US imports so much of the goods that those emissions produced. Turns out that outsourced US CO2 emissions more than triple the official figure for US emissions growth over the eight years of the Bush administration from 200 to 700 million tonnes. For an analysis see this item at Climate Progress.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that is probably going to be one silver lining to the whole "New Great Depression" thing--the US won't be able to afford nearly as many of those imports. Chances are, neither will we. That should put a crimp in emissions. Um, hurray?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, that is probably going to be one silver lining to the whole "New Great Depression" thing--the US won't be able to afford nearly as many of those imports. Chances are, neither will we. That should put a crimp in emissions. Um, hurray?


I'm not so sure about that Rufus.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, well. Obama's continuing his nice little roll, today announcing that he's going to reverse Bush's position blocking states' efforts to impose vehicle emission standards. He's also announced that he's backing Congress's federal emissions standards due to take effect in 2011.

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... California and at least a dozen other states have tried to come up with tougher emission standards than those imposed by the federal government but were stymied in their efforts by the Bush administration.

... On car emissions, California needed a waiver from the Clean Air Act to pursue its own course; the Bush administration's Environmental Protection Agency denied that permission.

Obama said he will direct EPA regulators to re-examine California's case. The formal process will take time but is expected to end up in the states' favour. The Bush administration had rejected the request on grounds that a national fuel-efficiency strategy would work better.

... In another key policy announcement, Obama said automakers will have to comply with new fuel efficiency standards by 2011.

Congress has passed legislation that would require new cars and trucks to meet a standard of 6.7 L/100 km (35 miles per U.S. gallon) by 2020, a 40 per cent increase over the status quo. But the Bush administration did not set regulations in support of that law.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually like to see politics move faster, but it is fun to watch him slowly dismantle all of Bush's work. Old Georgie must be seriously pissed off.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hee, slowly indeed. I mean, it's been a whole week, almost! Jeez.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama is looking pretty damn good on domestic policy (with some obvious exceptions like opposition to equal marriage). Though I wonder how much of how good he is looking is due to the fact that Bush II was so awful?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tehanu wrote:
Hee, slowly indeed. I mean, it's been a whole week, almost! Jeez.

True, but he could announce these initiatives all at once. Perhaps I should say he is spreading the joy rather than operating slowly. Compare with our dolts. Harper took a long vacation a few weeks after the election when he screwed things up. Real leadership. Kinda like when Bush shit his pants in that classroom when he heard about the terrorist attacks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Though I wonder how much of how good he is looking is due to the fact that Bush II was so awful?


Same reason Chretien was so popular -- he wasn't Mulroney.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Change is coming sooner than expected, say researchers. Plus, we're adding CO2 into the atmosphere even faster than in the 1990s. Ouch.

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... The Earth will not have to warm up as much as had been thought to cause serious consequences, including more extreme weather and increasing threats to plants and animals, the scientists report in this week's online edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change estimated that the risk of increased severe weather would rise with a global average temperature increase of between one degree Celsius and two degrees above 1990 levels.

The National Climatic Data Centre currently reports that global temperatures have risen 0.12 degree since 1990.

... Indeed, "it is now more likely than not that human activity has contributed to observed increases in heat waves, intense precipitation events, and the intensity of tropical cyclones," concluded the researchers led by Joel B. Smith of Stratus Consulting Inc.

... The new report comes just a week after Christopher Field of the Carnegie Institution for Science told the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science that humans are now adding carbon to the atmosphere even faster than in the 1990s.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earth entering climate change danger zone faster than anticipated?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's been a lot of talk lately that one silver lining of an imploding world economy will be a decline in CO2 emissions.

While true, it won't have much, if any, short term effect on global warming for two reasons:

1) We have yet to see the full warming impact from the CO2 that has already been emitted due to the thermal inertial of the ocean, and since that CO2 is not going anywhere soon it will continue to give its gift of warming for many decades to come, if not centuries.

2) Along with CO2, chimneys, smoke stacks and tailpipes the world over also spew sulfate aerosols and particulates, which reflect and block incoming sunlight, offsetting some of the CO2-induced warming, known as Global Dimming.

But as economic activity slows, not only less CO2, but also fewer aerosols and particulates will be emitted, and since both wash out of the atmosphere quickly, we can expect a sudden boost in CO2-induced warming when the aerosols and particulates of the so-called Asian Brown Cloud no longer mask part of the existing warming.

This is exactly what we saw after the collapse of East Block economies in the 1990s and after the aerosols and ash of Mt Pinatuno cleared in 1992-93. It's also no coincidence that the last 30 years of rapid warming commenced just as clean air legislation took effect in the US and Western Europe.

Unfortunately, silver linings are not always what they appear to be.
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Ice bridge supporting Antarctic ice shelf cracks up

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An ice bridge which had apparently held a vast Antarctic ice shelf in place during recorded history shattered on Saturday and could herald a wider collapse linked to global warming, a leading scientist said.

"It's amazing how the ice has ruptured. Two days ago it was intact," David Vaughan, a glaciologist with the British Antarctic Survey, told Reuters of a satellite image of the Wilkins Ice Shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula.

The satellite picture, from the European Space Agency (ESA), showed that a 40 km (25 mile) long strip of ice believed to pin the Wilkins Ice Shelf in place had splintered at its narrowest point, about 500 meters wide.

"We've waited a long time to see this," he said.

The Wilkins, now the size of Jamaica or the U.S. state of Connecticut, is one of 10 shelves to have shrunk or collapsed in recent years on the Antarctic Peninsula, where temperatures have risen in recent decades apparently because of global warming.

The ESA picture showed a jumble of huge flat-topped icebergs in the sea where the ice bridge had been on Friday, pinning the Wilkins to the coast and running northwest to Charcot Island.

"Charcot Island will be a real island for the first time in history," Vaughan said.


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Antarctica's tumultuous past revealed

The Andrill drilling project is showing that the West Antarctic Ice sheet has retreated and regrown at least 60 times over the past 14 million years, suggesting that it is prone to rapid and catastrophic collapse over as little as 1000 years at atmospheric CO2 concentrations of 400 to 450 ppm. (We're currently at 387 ppm.) That translates into a rate of .5 to 1 meter of sea level rise per century.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new paper in Nature presents evidence of rates of sea level rise of 5+ cm per year over a 50 year period (2.5+ meters total) 121,000 years ago during the last interglacial (the Eemian). By comparison, current sea level rise is just over 3 mm per year, projected to increase to .3 to 1.4 cm per year as polar melting accelerates.

Story at Climate Progress.

Abstract at Rapid sea-level rise and reef back-stepping at the close of the last interglacial highstand.
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Mind you, so far nearly all the mainstream projections have kept being exceeded.
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1,500 indian farmers have committed sucide this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The next time some one tries to tell you that global warming is a myth or hoax, that it's just the urban heat island effect in populated areas and that there hasen't been any warming, show them this little interactive map that shows the northward shift in plant hardiness zones since 1990.

NOTE: I held off posting this so as not to bump Chester's post about Indian farmer suicides from TAT. Odd that that topic did not elicit any comment at all.
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Cool map. It's a puzzling map, but it's cool nonetheless. I'm not at all sure why Arborday.org would want to claim that Zone 7 has gone and swallowed the region I live in. I wouldn't suggest relying on this map if you're planning on planting something that you expect to... oh, I don't know... live.

Averages are averages, but here you really can reliably expect the annual low to be 15 to twenty degrees lower than that map suggests. Not the "Average Annual Low," to be sure... but the low temperature that's going to freeze your trees, shrubs, and assorted other green-thumberies solid.

As for the change... the map clearly indicates that this very region has warmed by one full Hardiness Zone. Huh. The record cold temperature was in 1994. No one was surprised (though no one was pleased). It was worthy of Zone 5. If you're planting here, you very much do want to remember that Zone 5 is what you're likely to get, Zone 6 is a certainty, and Zone 7 is something you like to imagine on a sunny day in February. Plants don't much want to hear about "averages." Frozen is frozen.

Not that I'd want to suggest that the puzzling aspects of that map are "evidence" of anything. The right-proper "Average Annual Low" here is quite warm... mostly due to the not at all low "lows" we experience in the summer. It is warmer... just not in winter.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A different kind of tipping point has finally been reached:

EPA: Global warming a health hazard

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The Environmental Protection Agency declared global warming a danger to public health and welfare on Friday, a ruling that all but ensures widespread regulation of carbon emissions in the United States.

“This finding confirms that greenhouse gas pollution is a serious problem now and for future generations,” EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in a statement. “This pollution problem has a solution — one that will create millions of green jobs and end our country’s dependence on foreign oil.”

The much-awaited endangerment finding requires the EPA to force power plants, auto companies, manufacturers and other major industrial sources of greenhouse gas to cut their emissions under the Clean Air Act. ...


Other sources are reporting that the EPA is also considering using the Clean Water Act on the basis that rising CO2 is acidifying the ocean.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, look, just like the tobacco industry did, the fossil fuel industry has been ignoring their own science advisors and lying to you for 15 years:

Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate

"For more than a decade the Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels, led an aggressive lobbying and public relations campaign against the idea that emissions of heat-trapping gases could lead to global warming.

But a document filed in a federal lawsuit demonstrates that even as the coalition worked to sway opinion, its own scientific and technical experts were advising that the science backing the role of greenhouse gases in global warming could not be refuted.

“The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential impact of human emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2 on climate is well established and cannot be denied,” the experts wrote in an internal report compiled for the coalition in 1995. ..."
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And California goes on the offensive: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/24/california-carbon...

Alberta worried California measures may mean end of oil sands:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2009/04/24/9226801-sun.html
http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/International/2009/04/24/004-c...

The tough California clean air standards will serve as a template for Obama in Washington.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just the Arctic and Antarctic that are melting:

Snow Cover Turning to Lakes in the Himalayas
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46761

"These are the world's greatest repositories of snow and ice outside of the polar regions, and yet they may melt away in just 20 to 30 years, leaving more than a billion people desperately short of water...."

Six of the world's major rivers rise in the Himalayas and the Tibetan plateau (Indus, Ganges, Brahmaputra, Yangtze, Yellow, Mekong). We're talking about the water source for over a billion people.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just the Himalayas either, Transplant. Glaciers in the Andes are in trouble too:

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Like the Wicked Witch of the West, the world is melting — and fast.

The University of Zurich’s World Glacier Monitoring Service reported earlier this year, “The new data continues the global trend in accelerated ice loss over the past few decades.” The rate of ice loss is twice as fast as a decade ago. “The main thing that we can do to stop this is reduce greenhouse gases” said Michael Zemp, a researcher at the University of Zurich’s Department of Geography.

This is all sadly consistent with other recent research (see Another climate impact comes faster than predicted: Himalayan glaciers “decapitated” and AGU 2008: Two trillion tons of land ice lost since 2003 and links below).

And this country isn’t being spared — see “Another climate impact coming faster than predicted: Glacier National Park to go glacier-free a decade early.”

But the story of the week, from the Miami Herald, is Chacaltaya, which means ”cold road” — and like our Glacier National Park, it is gonna need a new name [maybe "not-so-cold cul-de-sac"]:

http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/08/bolivia-chacaltaya-glacier-go...
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A relatively thorough, multi-level article for lay people on keeping us alive day-to-day <g>. An easy read with smoothly mentioned facts.

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/globalrecession/2009/05/20095161...

The 21st century's bleak harvest; By Asif Mehdi, development practitioner

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Rising food prices increased the aid dependency of developing countries [GALLO/GETTY]

As the world staggers from one economic crisis to another, it seems easy to forget the global food crisis that occupied centre stage in 2008.

World prices for essential grains more than doubled between 2006 and 2008.

Rice, the staple food of most of Asia, doubled in price in just seven months. And, despite their commitments to trade liberalisation, a few significant grain-exporting developing countries rushed to protect domestic grain stocks by banning exports.

The poor, who typically spend between 50 and 70 per cent of their meagre incomes on food, were most affected by the crisis.

According to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation, the food crisis raised the number of undernourished people from 923 million to more than one billion by this year.

In late 2007 and 2008, the crisis caused food riots in at least 15 countries across the world, from Brazil to Bangladesh, and international media and forums spoke of little else.

Then, as suddenly as it struck, declining prices relegated the food crisis to collective global amnesia.

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The Conservatives have announced their cap 'n trade plan. Seems nobody's paying attention, though, it was on Wednesday and I didn't hear a peep about it. Anyone else?

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... Environment Minister Jim Prentice released two draft documents laying the ground rules for a federal carbon-offset scheme.

The guidelines set out which offset projects qualify for the federal system, how others can apply for inclusion, the value of each offset credit, how emissions cuts are tracked and verified, and other nitty-gritty details of the plan.

... The government will place a cap on greenhouse gases and allow firms to buy and sell emissions permits within that cap. Participants who don't meet the emissions targets can buy credits from those with a surplus instead of reducing their emissions.

... Prentice told reporters after a luncheon speech in Ottawa that carbon-offset projects must have started after Jan. 1, 2006, to be eligible for inclusion in the federal trading system.

However, only carbon offsets made after Jan. 1, 2011, will count toward the reduction targets that industry will be required to meet.

... An offset credit is equivalent to one tonne of carbon dioxide. The environment minister said the federal government will not set the price of carbon offsets. Market forces will instead dictate the permits' value.


Canadian Press.
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It won't be possible to trade the credits that are generated in Canada internationally. Why, you may ask? Because of the benchmark year. To be internationally tradeable, the credits must use 1990 as the base year, where as the Canadian ones will use 2006 as the baseline year. Thus they won't be able to be traded in the North American carbon market that is planned, or with other parts of the world.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Multi-agency US government report on the impacts of climate change finally released:

Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States

The report is downloadable in full or in bite-size sections here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Night-Shining Clouds Encroach on the UK

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...stunned residents spotted a rare glimpse of the clouds lighting up Leicester's skyline shortly after midnight on Thursday morning. Noctilucent cloud formations are the highest on Earth where temperatures can plunge below -130C (-200F) and winds peak at 300mph. They appear in the mesosphere, which is between 30miles and 50miles above the Earth's surface...Despite the beauty of the clouds, scientists fear the clouds could be a sign of changes in the upper atmosphere because of global warming. 'The clouds are becoming brighter, occurring more frequently with time and they are being observed at lower latitudes than ever before,' an AIM mission expert said.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tehanu wrote:
The Conservatives have announced their cap 'n trade plan. Seems nobody's paying attention, though, it was on Wednesday and I didn't hear a peep about it. Anyone else?


Cap'n trade strikes me as too little, too late.

We need to look for solutions to address *current* conditions, not implement dated proposals that have been made irrelevant by delay.

Unfortunately, it seems that it will be impossible to reach a global consensus on appropriate measures, even as the situation degrades before us. No one wants to pitch in for fire extinguishers until they actually see the fire.

I read a great article a while ago about how the human mind is not able to properly assess and address GW, due to it's lack of immediacy - To paraphrase, We evolved to run from tigers, not to prevent the eventual destruction of our nest.
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Noctilucent cloud formations are the highest on Earth where temperatures can plunge below -130C (-200F) and winds peak at 300mph. They appear in the mesosphere, which is between 30miles and 50miles above the Earth's surface...Despite the beauty of the clouds, scientists fear the clouds could be a sign of changes in the upper atmosphere because of global warming.


Thats an interesting phenom. Not sure how well my memory serves me anymore, but wasn't the Mesosphere cooling as part of the warming process?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Searosia wrote:
Thats an interesting phenom. Not sure how well my memory serves me anymore, but wasn't the Mesosphere cooling as part of the warming process?


Yes, both the Stratosphere and Mesosphere are cooling: Long-term changes in the mesosphere calculated by a two-dimensional model
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legless_Marine wrote:

Cap'n trade


Somehow this term reminds me of pirates or something.
"Yarrr! I be Cap'n Trade! Heave to, ye scurvy swabs, so's I can trade yer money . . . for yer life!"
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadian scientists breeding cows that burp less

Yeah, 'coz climate change is all about the cows, not anything to do with the tar sands, or nuthin'... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hephaestion wrote:
Canadian scientists breeding cows that burp less

Yeah, 'coz climate change is all about the cows, not anything to do with the tar sands, or nuthin'... Rolling Eyes

The Independent wrote:
Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars

Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane, or even George Bush: it is the cow.

A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

The 400-page report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation, entitled Livestock's Long Shadow, also surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats. But in almost every case, the world's 1.5 billion cattle are most to blame. Livestock are responsible for 18 per cent of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hephaestion wrote:
Yeah, 'coz climate change is all about the cows, not anything to do with the tar sands, or nuthin'... Rolling Eyes


Heph, you might want to look up methane as a greenhouse gas.

It's far more powerful than CO2, and cows belch a lot of it, and there are a lot of cows. It may not sound like a serious issue, but it is a very real problem.
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Cow farts are methane culprits too, aren't they?

That article that Heph linked to was very unclear. Are they breeding the cows or genetically engineering them? (Possibly the writer doesn't know much about genetics or agriculture so is obfuscating, but that might just be snarky of me.)

Of course, if we wanted to reduce the amount of cow burps, we could just reduce the amount of cows. By eating less meat. And (argh) less dairy.
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Same thing, different end Teh Very Happy

I'm guessing a lil selective breeding, but potentially some genetic manipulation...you're right, that article is unclear. The carbon credit bit almost seems silly, we're gonna pay you a loonie a head for every cow of your's that farts less than it did in 2006.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hephaestion wrote:

Yeah, 'coz climate change is all about the cows, not anything to do with the tar sands, or nuthin'... Rolling Eyes


Later in the thread, Tehanu points out that the problem does not lie with the cows, it lies in our meat-eating habits that requires their proliferation.

Likewise, the problem does not lie with the tar sands, the problem lies with society's fossil fuel hunger that requires such things as the tar sands.


We, as a society and individuals need to take responsibility for the resources we use, and pollution we create, instead of scapegoating producers.
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