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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: It's still the f*ing war Reply with quote

Thousands march in mass anti-war rally in New York today

AFP - Thousands of anti-war demonstrators marched in New York, demanding the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq and vowing a summer of protests ahead of mid-term elections in November.

The protesters included national figures like civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, Oscar-winning actress Susan Sarandon and the prominent anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan.

The mass rally was organised by a broad coalition of groups representing veterans, trade unions, military families, environmentalists and civil rights activists.

"This is what democracy looks like," said chief organiser Leslie Cagan, national coordinator of the anti-war lobby United for Peace and Justice. ...

"Today we march, tomorrow we organise and in November we vote," Cagan told cheering supporters.

Police were out in force as the demonstration wound its way through lower Manhattan toward City Hall.

"Our sole aim is to facilitate the march," said Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly. ...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile...

U.S. Soldier Dies In Bomb Attack; Military Deaths In Iraq Top 2,400

Associated Press

Military officials said an Army soldier died Saturday when a roadside bomb hit his convoy near Baghdad. The attack raises to 70 the number of U.S. troops who have died in Iraq during April.

The military put the figure at 2,401, which includes three more deaths than an unofficial tally being kept by The Associated Press. The number does not include the death of the Army soldier who was killed on Saturday. ...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: It's still the f*ing war Reply with quote

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AFP - Thousands of anti-war demonstrators marched in New York, demanding the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq and vowing a summer of protests ahead of mid-term elections in November.
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NBC, in their national news broadcast gave this event about the same amount of air time that they gave to Keith Richards falling from a tree.

When they reported the number of US troops killed thus far in the war it was reported as twenty-four oh two. Does that make it sound like less than two thousand four hundred and two or am I being paranoid?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: It's still the f*ing war Reply with quote

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NBC, in their national news broadcast gave this event about the same amount of air time that they gave to Keith Richards falling from a tree.


Whether or not that is a matter of under-reporting the rally or over-reporting Richards is a question of how much time we're talking about.

The way US network news producers think: A big story rates about a minute to a minute and half. A huge story rates about two minutes. Anything over two minutes better be the kind of story that, for the rest of your life, you'll remember where you were when you first heard about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... which explains month after month of O.J. Simpson, eh? Or whatsizname, the congressman with the missing/dead aide. Or Terry Schiavo. Or Ben and frickin' Jen. Or Michael Jackson. Or Jonbennet Ramsey. Or Crazy Tommy Cruise. Or whatever else they'd rather talk about than the blatant lies, corruption and filth pouring out of the White House, they way they *have* been for the last five years, eh Crip?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

**Heph check ye thy PMs. Wink

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... which explains month after month of O.J. Simpson, eh? Or whatsizname, the congressman with the missing/dead aide. Or Terry Schiavo. Or Ben and frickin' Jen. Or Michael Jackson. Or Jonbennet Ramsey. Or Crazy Tommy Cruise. Or whatever else they'd rather talk about than the blatant lies, corruption and filth pouring out of the White House, they way they *have* been for the last five years, eh Crip?


Okay, my critique was regarding the single broadcast described above. But to address your broader cannonade: like it or not, OJ, Condit, Schiavo, JonBenet, and Jackson were legit stories that took on lives of their own in a real 'Lindbergh Baby' kind of way. While news-people certainly can't *just* give the audience candy like that, they are pretty much forced to give *some* candy or they don't stay on the air. We don't have a CBC in this country; PBS isn't in the same league. Even with all the CBC's warts, I wish we did have something like it.

Now, as for Ben & Jen, and crazy Tommy... I have never seen anything about them on the networks' flagship broadcasts. They're getting that right, at least. Plenty of USians conflate Entertainment Tonight with actual 'news.' Don't you do it too, eh?

There's plenty wrong with our network news operations. And yeah, they have not been nearly as tough on the Bushites as one would like. That shouldn't be a shock though. Look at what happened to CBS when they tried. It sure ain't Mr. Murrow's network no mo'.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bush turned down chances to kill Zarqawi

ABC News [from down under] - A former top CIA spy says the United States deliberately turned down several opportunities to kill terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the lead-up to the Iraq war.

Mike Scheuer headed the CIA's bin Laden unit for six years before resigning in 2004.

He has told the ABC's Four Corners program the Bush administration had Zarqawi in its sights almost every day for a year.

He says a plan to destroy Zarqawi's training camp in Kurdistan was abandoned for diplomatic reasons.

"The reasons the intelligence service got for not shooting Zarqawi was simply that the President and the National Security Council decided it was more important not to give the Europeans the impression we were gunslingers," he said.

"Mr Bush had Mr Zarqawi in his sights for almost every day for a year before the invasion of Iraq and he didn't shoot because they were wining and dining the French in an effort to get them to assist us in the invasion of Iraq."

The full story will air on Four Corners tonight on ABC television. ...

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Of course Zarqawi wasn't taken out then, he was serving a useful purpose!
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess war is not the means by which Americans learn geography:

Most US young people can't find Iraq on map

Reuters - Most American young people can't find Iraq on a map, even though U.S. troops have been there for more than three years, according to a new geographic literacy study released on Tuesday.

Fewer than 4 in 10 Americans aged 18-24 in a survey could place Iraq on an unlabeled map of the Middle East, a study conducted for National Geographic found. Only about one-quarter of respondents could find Iran and Israel on the same map.

Sixty-nine percent of young people picked out China on a map of Asia, but only about half could find India and Japan and only 12 percent correctly located Afghanistan. ...
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Iraqi insurgents not in contact with US anymore

* Representatives of 10 insurgent groups met Khalilzad seven times
* Talks focused on US withdrawal from Iraq

Daily Times [via Raw Story] - Iraqi insurgents met with the US ambassador seven times but decided to break off contacts after formation of the new Iraqi government, a major Arabic-language newspaper said Tuesday.

In a rare interview with the London-based Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, an Iraqi insurgent leader, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the talks with US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad first took place in Amman, Jordan on Jan. 16 and continued in Baghdad at an undisclosed location outside the Green Zone.

“Seven meetings took place between us- the representatives of more than 10 prominent Iraqi resistance groups- and the American ambassador, three of which took place before Feb 6,” the militant leader was quoted as saying.

At one meeting, Iraqi insurgents presented a Memorandum of Understanding in which the Americans showed interest. They promised to respond before the formation of the new Iraqi government, which took place April 22.

“More than two months have passed, the government was formed, and we have not yet received a response (from the Americans), positive or negative,” the insurgent said. “So we decided to end the talks and we informed them of this in a memo we delivered the day before yesterday.” ...
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some legitimate reporting - and reporting on the media, try fair.org

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4
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Adviser: Iraq ‘civil war’ places U.S. in reactive role

AP - Iraq is embroiled in a “low-level civil war” that is forcing the United States to react to events on the ground rather than shape them, according to a former U.S. military adviser who spent two years there studying the insurgency.

“Once you start reacting to events, you cannot impose a solution,” said Ahmed Hashim, a professor at the Naval War College who worked with U.S. troops in Iraq from November 2003 to September 2005 in an effort to understand the emotions and loyalties driving Iraq’s insurgents. “You go along with the flow.”

Speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations on Tuesday, Hashim said the most powerful force behind Iraq’s chaotic downward spiral in recent months is “the identity issue” dividing Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.

“What’s happened over the past several months is that Iraqi communities have created a narrative of one another that is exclusionary,” he said, pointing to the rise of sectarian militias such as the Mahdi Army, the powerful militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

When militias take the place of the state in protecting individual communities, he said, ethnic antagonism is the natural byproduct.

Stressing that he was speaking as an individual, not a representative of the U.S. Military, Hashim expressed pessimism over the U.S.’s ability to control the current situation in Iraq.

“We have a civil war right now, a low-level civil war,” he said. “Our understanding of Iraq has advanced at a very glacial pace, and the only policy we really have in our hand right now...is to leave.” ...
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the war goes on...

US forces cannot withdraw yet from any Iraqi province: general

AFP - US and coalition forces cannot yet be withdrawn from even
Iraq's most stable regions, despite progress made in building up Iraqi security forces, the US military chief said.

Testifying alongside US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, General Peter Pace was asked whether coalition forces could withdraw within the next three months from any of 14 Iraqi provinces that he had described as calm and stable.

"No, sir," Pace told members of a Senate appropriations subcommittee considering an administration request for 66.3 billion dollars in additional military funding, most of it for Iraq. ...
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Lawmaker: Marines killed Iraqis 'in cold blood'

Navy conducting war crimes probe into November violence in Haditha

NBC News - A Pentagon probe into the death of Iraqi civilians last November in the Iraqi city of Haditha will show that U.S. Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood," a U.S. lawmaker said Wednesday.

From the beginning, Iraqis in the town of Haditha said U.S. Marines deliberately killed 15 unarmed Iraqi civilians, including seven women and three children.

One young Iraqi girl said the Marines killed six members of her family, including her parents. “The Americans came into the room where my father was praying,” she said, “and shot him.”

On Wednesday, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said the accounts are true.

Military officials told NBC News that the Marine Corps' own evidence appears to show Murtha is right. ...
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Basra carnage escalates as one person killed every hour

The Independent - One person is being assassinated in Basra every hour, as order in Iraq's second city disintegrates, according to an Iraqi Defence Ministry official.

And a quarter of all Iraqi children suffer from malnutrition, a survey of 20,000 households by the Iraqi government and Unicef says.

The number of violent killings in Basra is now at a level close to that of Baghdad, and marks the failure of the British Army's three-year attempt to quell violence there. Police no longer dare go to the site of a murder because they fear being attacked. The governor of Basra, Mohammed Misbahal-Wa'ili, is trying to sack the city's police chief, claiming that the police have not carried out a single investigation into hundreds of recent assassinations.

The collapse of government authority in Iraq is increasing at every level and leaders in Baghdad have yet to form a cabinet, five months after parliamentary elections on 15 December.

Insurgent attacks on American and British troops are also proving more lethal, with 44 US soldiers and seven British killed so far this month, and with daily losses exceeding anything seen for more than a year. ...


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Mr. Bush, meet My Lai.

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Yep, life sure is good...,it's just that dang war that's unsettling folks.

U.S. sending reinforcements to violent Ramadi

CNN - U.S. military commanders will order more U.S. troops to the Iraqi city of Ramadi, the volatile Anbar provincial capital where troops and insurgents have been fighting pitched battles, the military said Friday.

The reinforcements, described as a significant number, will come from other areas inside Iraq, but military sources are not saying when the troops will arrive.

Fighting has been raging in the sprawling, largely Sunni Arab province west of Baghdad for days; coalition forces have engaged insurgents in the area every day since May 7, the military said. ...
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His photo is an icon, his life a shambles

At home and suffering from stress disorder, ex-Marine has turned against Iraq war

LA Times - Growing up in Jonancy Bottom, where coal trucks grind their gears as they rumble down from the ragged green hills, Blake Miller always believed there were only two paths for him: the coal mines or the Marine Corps. He chose the Marines, enlisting right out of high school.

The Marines sent him to Iraq, and then to Fallujah, where his life was forever altered. He survived a harrowing all-night firefight in November 2004, pinned down on a rooftop by insurgents firing from a nearby house. Filthy and exhausted, he had just lighted a Marlboro at dawn when an embedded photographer captured an image that transformed Blake into an icon of the Iraq war.



His detached expression in the photo seemed to signify different things to different people — valor, despair, hope, futility, fear, courage, disillusionment. For Blake, the photograph represents a pivotal moment in his life: an instant when he feared he would never see another sunrise, and when his psychological foundation began to fracture.

Blake, whose only brush with celebrity was as a star quarterback in high school, became known as the Marlboro Man, a label he detests. That same notoriety has carried over into his post-Iraq life, where he is an icon of sorts for another consequence of the war — post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD. ...
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Coalition in Iraq continues to dwindle

AP - It's a coalition of the dwindling. The U.S.-led multinational force in Iraq is losing two of its most important allies — Italy and South Korea — and up to half a dozen other members could draw down their forces or pull out entirely by the end of the year.

The withdrawals are complicating America's effort to begin extracting itself from the country, where a fresh onslaught of deadly attacks on coalition forces is testing the resolve of key partners such as Britain and Poland to stick with the mission despite the dangers. ...
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As violence escalates, top commander moves brigade from Kuwait to Anbar province, a hotbed for insurgent attacks

By John F. Burns and David S. Cloud
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WASHINGTON - The top American commander in Iraq has decided to move reserve troops now deployed in Kuwait into the volatile Anbar province in western Iraq to help quell a surge in insurgents attacks, two American officials said Monday.

Although some soldiers from the 3,500-member brigade in Kuwait have moved into Iraq in recent months, Gen. George Casey has decided to send in the remainder of the unit after consultations with Iraqi officials in recent days, the officials said.

The confirmation that the number of American forces in Iraq would grow came on a day of soaring violence in Baghdad. Two Britons working as members of a CBS News television crew were killed on Monday and an American correspondent for the network was critically wounded when a military patrol they were accompanying was hit by a roadside bomb.

The police said at least 31 other people were killed in bombings and shootings in one of the worst days of bloodshed in the capital for weeks....


http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/14697487.htm
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WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. military commanders are moving about 1,500 troops from a reserve force in Kuwait into the volatile Anbar province in western Iraq to help local authorities establish order there. ``The United States stands ready to help the Iraqi democracy succeed,'' President Bush said Tuesday.

The troop movement, announced earlier by military commanders, comes as Iraqi officials continue to struggle to set up their government, amid new spikes in violence.


1,500 U.S. Troops in Kuwait Going to Iraq

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Pentagon: Iraq Insurgency Steady Until '07

The Independent - The Sunni Arab heart of the Iraqi insurgency seems likely to hold its strength the rest of the year, and some of its leaders are now collaborating with al-Qaida terrorists, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

In a report assessing the situation in Iraq, required quarterly by Congress, the Pentagon painted a mixed picture on a day when the U.S. military command in Baghdad said 1,500 more combat troops have arrived in the country. The extra troops are part of an intensified effort to wrest control of the provincial capital of Ramadi from insurgents.

The report to Congress offered a relatively dim picture of economic progress, with few gains in improving basic services like electricity, and it provided no promises of U.S. troop reductions anytime soon. ...
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Hopes for Iraq Pullback Fading

The worsening situation in the west means U.S. troops are likely to stay, officials say. Military sends backup but denies an offensive is coming.

LA Times - The Pentagon's hopes of making substantial reductions in U.S. troop levels in Iraq this year appear to be fading as a result of resurgent violence in the country, particularly in the Sunni Arab stronghold of Al Anbar province, military officials acknowledge.

Army Gen. George W. Casey, commander of U.S.-led forces in Iraq, said Tuesday that he was moving 1,500 "backup" troops from Kuwait to Al Anbar, the western region that includes the war-torn cities of Fallouja and Ramadi.

Publicly, Pentagon officials insisted Tuesday that the move was temporary and unrelated to Casey's much-delayed recommendation on overall troop levels, now expected to be made next month. But other officers have privately acknowledged that the worsening situation in Al Anbar — particularly in Ramadi, which U.S. officials say is now under insurgent control — is likely to prevent any significant drawdown this year.

Since the beginning of the year, military commanders have said that progress in forming a government and training the Iraqi military might allow U.S. troop levels to be reduced from more than 130,000 to 100,000 or fewer. But a senior officer privy to Iraq planning discussions, who requested anonymity when discussing internal Pentagon debates, said there was "a growing realization" that ongoing violence was hampering withdrawal plans.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair hinted at that realization last week when, after a meeting with Casey, he said he expected insurgents to "test" the new Iraqi government "very, very strongly" in coming months. Blair and President Bush, meeting at the White House last week, postponed an anticipated announcement on troop reduction.

On Tuesday, Italy announced it would withdraw its 2,600 troops by year's end, and South Korea this week began drawing down 1,000 of its 3,200 troops in Iraq. ...
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Meanwhile....

2 Iraqi women killed by coalition troops

AP - Two Iraqi women were shot to death north of Baghdad after coalition forces fired on a vehicle that failed to stop at an observation post, the U.S. military said Wednesday. Iraqi police and relatives said one of the women was about to give birth.

A car entered a clearly marked prohibited area near coalition troops at an observation post but failed to stop despite repeated visual and auditory warnings, the U.S. military said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press.

"Shots were fired to disable the vehicle," the statement said. "Coalition forces later received reports from Iraqi police that two women had died from gunshot wounds ... and one of the females may have been pregnant." ...
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Insurgent attacks in Iraq at highest level in 2 years

Militants exploiting political uncertainty, Pentagon says

Boston Globe - The Pentagon reported yesterday that the frequency of insurgent attacks against troops and civilians is at its highest level since American commanders began tracking such figures two years ago, an ominous sign that, despite three years of combat, the US-led coalition forces haven't significantly weakened the Iraq insurgency.

In its quarterly update to Congress, the Pentagon reported that from Feb. 11 to May 12, as the new Iraqi unity government was being established, insurgents staged an average of more than 600 attacks per week nationwide. From August 2005 to early February, when Iraqis elected a parliament, insurgent attacks averaged about 550 per week; at its lowest point, before the United States handed over sovereignty in the spring of 2004, the attacks averaged about 400 per week. ...

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Hasn't Rummey stated, several times, that the resistance is in its last throes?
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Ramadi looks to be next Falluja

Video at Raw Story - A wave of attacks has the city of Ramadi shaping up to be the next Falluja, according to a report filed by MSNBC. Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post tells MSNBC in this video that the worsening situation in Iraqi's Anbar province has generals calling for more troops, and Washington reportedly ignoring the requests.
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US Army officer at Fort Lewis calls Iraq war illegal, refuses order to go

Seattle Times - In a rare case of officer dissent, a Fort Lewis Army lieutenant has refused orders to head out to Iraq this month to lead troops in what he believes is an illegal war of occupation.

1st Lt. Ehren Watada was scheduled to make his first deployment to Iraq this month. His refusal to accompany the Stryker brigade troops puts him at risk of court martial and years of prison time.

"I feel that we have been lied to and betrayed by this administration," Watada said Tuesday in a telephone interview from Fort Lewis. "It is the duty, the obligation of every soldier, and specifically the officers, to evaluate the legality, the truth behind every order — including the order to go to war." ...
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US Army officer at Fort Lewis calls Iraq war illegal, refuses order to go


Oh goody! Mutiny! Hopefully, anyway! This is what I've been hoping for!

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He could have added, that since the President and Congress didn't seem prepared to defend the Constitution, and the judiciary seemed unable to enforce its decisions, it is coming down to the military to balk in its tracks.
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. . . 1st Lt. Ehren Watada . . . refusal to accompany the Stryker brigade troops puts him at risk of court martial and years of prison time.. . [because] "It is the duty, the obligation of every soldier, and specifically the officers, to evaluate the legality, the truth behind every order — including the order to go to war." ...

Here is that good news about Iraq, for which everyone has been waiting.
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Good for him. It is an illegal war and Canada or some other country should offer him sanctuary.
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Fear of Big Battle Panics Iraqi City

LA Times [via michaelmoore.com] - Fears of an imminent offensive by the U.S. troops massed around the insurgent stronghold of Ramadi intensified Saturday, with residents pouring out of the city to escape what they describe as a mounting humanitarian crisis.

The image pieced together from interviews with tribal leaders and fleeing families in recent weeks is one of a desperate population of 400,000 people trapped in the crossfire between insurgents and U.S. forces. Food and medical supplies are running low, prices for gas have soared because of shortages and municipal services have ground to a stop.

U.S. and Iraqi forces had cordoned off the city by Saturday, residents and Iraqi officials said. Airstrikes on several residential areas picked up, and troops took to the streets with loudspeakers to warn civilians of a fierce impending attack, Ramadi police Capt. Tahseen Dulaimi said.

U.S. military officials refused to confirm or deny reports that a Ramadi offensive was underway.

Thousands of families remain trapped in the city, those who have fled say. Many can't afford to leave or lack transportation, whereas other families have decided to wait for their children to finish final examinations at school before escaping.

"The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity, no water," said Sheik Fassal Gaood, the former governor of Al Anbar province, whose capital is Ramadi.

"People in Ramadi are caught between two plagues: the vicious, armed insurgents and the American and Iraqi troops." ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big, big story of carnage, Transplant. Good thing Michael Moore uploaded it and EnMasse likewise.

The number, 400,000 people trapped in the crossfire between insurgents and U.S. forces, reminds me of reports 4 years ago from eastern Congo, urban centres caught in a crossXfire. Bad prognosis. Let us hope there is an exit from the carnage that may ensue.

Keep us posted, grim as though this may be for you.
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update from: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq
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Max 42747
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Hi Boom Boom. Sorry it is hello in such a grim thread.

What transplant has posted will make the figures you posted look minuscule if it turns out to be the worst-case scenario.

God am I sick of these worsening reports. Maybe, hopefully, it is hot air. I cannot tell you . . it is the crossXfire potential in cities. But at least this is not, so far, a war of looting. That should reduce casualties. If only the US-Brit forces leave off from air strikes.

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update from: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq
Min 38355
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

White House press secretary Tony Snow: "It's a number."

U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500

AP - The Pentagon confirmed Thursday that 2,500 U.S. troops have died in the Iraq war since it began more than three years ago, marking a grim milestone even as President Bush hopes a recent spate of good news will reverse the war's widespread unpopularity at home.

The latest death was announced as Congress was launching into a symbolic election-year debate over the war, with Republicans rallying against calls by some Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops.

While there were no details on who it was or where the 2,500th death occurred, it underscored the continuing violence in Iraq just after an upbeat Bush returned from a surprise visit to Baghdad determined that the tide was beginning to turn. ...
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http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2006/nr20060612-13236.html

http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

Lance Cpl. Salvador Guerrero, 21, of Los Angeles, Calif., died June 9, of wounds received while conducting combat operations in Al Anbar province, Iraq. He was assigned to 1st Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Twentynine Palms, Calif.

Lance Cpl. Brent B. Zoucha, 19, of Merrick, Neb., died June 9, of wounds received while conducting combat operations in Al Anbar province, Iraq. He was assigned to 1st Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Twentynine Palms, Calif.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webgear, thank you for giving the "number" the dignity of a name.
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I think no soldier wants to ended up a number. I know I do not to become a number.
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It could be worse. You could be a dead Iraqi civilian, and not even be a number. "We don't do body counts" (of Iraqis). Sad
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House Rejects Timetable for Iraq Pullout

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WASHINGTON (AP) - The House on Friday rejected a timetable for pulling U.S. forces out of Iraq, culminating a fiercely partisan debate between Republicans and Democrats feeling the public's apprehension about war and the onrushing midterm campaign season.

In a 256-153 vote, the GOP-led House approved a nonbinding resolution that praises U.S. troops, labels the Iraq war part of the larger global fight against terrorism and says an ``arbitrary date for the withdrawal or redeployment'' of troops is not in the national interest.

``Retreat is not an option in Iraq,'' declared House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. ``Achieving victory is our only option, for the American people and our kids.''

``Stay the course, I don't think so Mr. President. It's time to face the facts,'' House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California answered, as she called for a new direction in the conflict. ``The war in Iraq has been a mistake. I say, a grotesque mistake.''


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Wash Post Obtains Shocking Memo from U.S. Embassy in Baghdad

Editor & Publisher - The Washington Post has obtained a cable, marked "sensitive," that it says shows that just before President Bush left on a surprise trip last Monday to the Green Zone in Baghdad for an upbeat assessment of the situation there, "the U.S. Embassy in Iraq painted a starkly different portrait of increasing danger and hardship faced by its Iraqi employees."

This cable outlines, the Post reported Sunday, "the daily-worsening conditions for those who live outside the heavily guarded international zone: harassment, threats and the employees' constant fears that their neighbors will discover they work for the U.S. government."

It's actually far worse than that, as the details published below indicate, which include references to abductions, threats to women's rights, and "ethnic cleansing."

A PDF copy of the cable shows that it was sent to the SecState in Washington, D.C. from "AMEmbassy Baghdad" on June 6. The typed name at the very bottom is Khalilzad -- the name of the U.S. Ambassador, though it is not known if this means he wrote the memo or merely approved it.

The subject of the memo is: "Snapshots from the Office -- Public Affairs Staff Show Strains of Social Discord."

As a footnote in one of the 23 sections, the embassy relates, "An Arab newspaper editor told us he is preparing an extensive survey of ethnic cleansing, which he said is taking place in almost every Iraqi province, as political parties and their militiast are seemingly engaged in tit-for-tat reprisals all over Iraq."

Among the other troubling reports: ...
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I have a hard time believing that the numbers of dead from this war is lower that the total one-year toll of highway fatalites in the US. That's only about 33 people per day since April 2003. I think that's a touch low, hm?
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IBC only counts deaths which are confirmed my multiple media reports. Pretty much by definition, that excludes a huge percentage, which are never reported at all.

Also excluded are non-violent deaths from the effects of Bush's war, due to disease, malnutrition, and so on, which have exploded since the total destruction of all functioning infrastructure in Iraq.

Here's a critique of IBC's methodology by the British website MediaLens.

IBC responds to these criticisms here.
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Don't think this has been posted yet:

Politics at Play in Dems' Iraq Maneuvering

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WASHINGTON (AP) - When two Democrats looking toward 2008 pushed hard for a firm date on withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, they crashed headlong into Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid's effort to retake the Senate this year.

Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Russ Feingold of Wisconsin want to pull out all combat forces over the next year, a proposal that delights the left wing of the Democratic Party but that failed overwhelmingly in the Senate on Thursday.

That 86-13 vote forced Democrats in difficult midterm election campaigns, such as Sens. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Maria Cantwell of Washington, to go on record on the question of ending the military mission in Iraq - and risk the wrath of liberals in their states.



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US soldier charged with rape, murder in Iraq

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - An American was charged on Monday with raping and murdering an Iraqi teenager after killing her parents and young sister while serving as a soldier in Iraq.

Three other troops may have been part of the crime in March.

Revealed last week and denounced by clerics as showing the "real, ugly face of America," the case could be particularly damaging to the U.S. image in Iraq's conservative Muslim society even after several other murder cases in the past few weeks.

Discharged soldier Steven Green, 21, appeared in court in Charlotte, North Carolina, on a charge from a federal prosecutor in Kentucky that he went with three others to a house near Mahmudiya, just south of Baghdad, to rape a woman there.

Green, who faces the death penalty, shot dead a man, woman and girl then raped another woman and killed her, the U.S. attorney said in a statement. Court documents said he had since been discharged from the army due to a "personality disorder."


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It was 9/11 and the ensuing US-led global "war on terror" that very much changed the world since 2001. Between the illusive and the real, the myth and the reality, America's self-defined campaign against terrorism has not always received full endorsement or support by the rest of the world.

So much so that Americans at one point asked "Why do they hate us?" as much as the world today questions "Why does the US continue with flawed policies?"

According to a YouGov/Gulf News survey carried out in June, respondents had no doubt that the policies of the current US administration had made the world a worse place to live in.

A whopping 70 per cent believed so, regardless of their nationality. Only a handful (7 per cent) expressed the exact opposite opinion. This overall dismay was seen across the different age and income groups, gender and religious conviction.

Even respondents who had expressed their liking of Americans and their belief in the US as being the only superpower harboured the same sentiments.



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ahh, but a substantial portion of the US population could not care less what the rest of the world thinks of their country, and are even proud of it.
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Ahh, but a substantial portion of the US population could not care less what the rest of the world thinks of their country, and are even proud of it.


I would imagine you are right, Transplant.
However, this is an example of something that no one should be proud of.
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Incoming...

Orwell in Iraq: Snow Jobs, Zarqawi and Bogus Peace Plans

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"My personal opinion is that the only way we will lose this war is if we pull out prematurely," said Colonel Jeffrey Snow, who commands a brigade of soldiers in Iraq. Snow, as reported by AFP on June 30th, fears losing public support in the US for the ongoing occupation of Iraq because of "negative perceptions" at home due to news that is "always bad."

Reuters reported, also on June 30th, Snow admitting that resistance attacks in Baghdad have risen despite the recent security crackdown that brought tens of thousands of American and Iraqi soldiers, new checkpoints and curfews in the capital city.

The same Col. Snow, unable (or more likely, unwilling) to provide statistics on the increased number of attacks, instead used the excuse that the steps the US military took to tell the Iraqi people about the new security measures kept resistance fighters informed of the military's plans. On that note, it couldn't be more obvious that someone in his position is there for his ability to follow orders, rather than his aptitude toward the application of logic.

In another dazzling flash of brain activity, Snow, who obviously thinks "war" is a suitable term for the illegal occupation of Iraq, commented, "We expected there would be an increase in attacks, and that is precisely what's happened." He also added, "I believe that these attacks are going to go down over time. So I remain optimistic."

Snow is obviously annoyed with the fact that select media outlets continue to report the increasing violence, ongoing deaths of Iraqi civilians and US soldiers, and th?t the country is, at this point, essentially as devastated as it was when Hulagu Khan's Mongols sacked Baghdad 748 years ago.



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American commanders' new plan for Ramadi: 'Get rid of it'

Raw Story - American commanders have a new plan for Ramadi, the "epicenter of the Iraqi insurgency and the focus of a grinding struggle between American forces and the guerrillas," according to an article slated for the front page of Wednesday's New York Times: "Get rid of it."

"In three years, the Marines and the army have tried nearly everything to bring this provincial capital of 400,000 under control," writes Dexter Filkins. "Nothing has worked."

"Now, American commanders are trying something totally new," the article continues. "They are going to get rid of it, planning to bulldoze about three blocks in the middle of the city and convert them into a "Green Zone," a version of the fortified and largely stable area that houses the Iraqi and American leadership in Baghdad." ...
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Very dumb.
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