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elmateo · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject:

Found the limitations of the front page to put up spanish characters...

steve · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:48 am Post subject:

elmateo · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:17 am Post subject:

Gracias amigo! (you might as well have just spoken russian to me though Smile

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TS. · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:40 am Post subject:

Cartman · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:43 am Post subject:

TS. · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:52 am Post subject:

Nope, there really are strange new characters in my piece on homelessness.
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elmateo · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:59 am Post subject:

Well now you can comment on the article Smile

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thwap · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:11 am Post subject:

I'll comment: Mexico has 90 million people. Canada has 30 million.

Your post points to one assasination out of almost 10 (?) a year.

Mike Harris had Dudley George killed in 1995. That's 1.

How far along the road of neo-liberal hell do we have to go before we achieve proportional levels of state-sanctioned murder?
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elmateo · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:35 am Post subject:

I don't actually understand what you are trying to say. But this has a lot deeper implications than another dead body in terms of government oppression.

Effectively the state government has lost control of the capital and other areas of the state. The APPO is the defacto 'government' right now in the capital organizing the barricades and the civil organizations. The assassenation of a leading member of the APPO is a serious crime, and this 'situation' has the potential of becoming much worse - as I said the state police and military have been making forays into the city periodically, but have not launched a full scale 'attack' like when they got kicked out of the city August 22nd.

The significance is rather large - beyond just another dead body for neoliberalism - this is a demonstration of civil society taking control of the political apparatus and setting up a minimal violence resistance to the neo-liberal economic model. And this is most definately a continuation of the Zapatista revolution which many commentators point to as the turning point in the organization of the global resistance to neo liberalism.

There is a lot more significance in the actions of the APPO and the events of this Wednesday than just another assassenated body.

thwap · Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:

My point was exactly what you said:

This is an issue of major historic importance.

I wasn't belittling that death you described in your story.

I was just asking how far Canada might be from a a government formed out of a decayed democracy that employs naked violence to perpetuate its rule.

Mexico is once again testing out theories of governance. I believe they are nearing a revolutionary point here.
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elmateo · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject:

A journalist and 2 others have been killed as violence from armed vigilanties has increased, attacking the baracades in Oaxaca. BBC is reporting that Fox is goign to send in the military/heavily armed police. People in the streets say he already has- just not in uniform.

elmateo · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:20 am Post subject:

It is expected that the National Police will attack the barracades tonight or tomorrow. 2 Planes carrying 500 police have arrived at the Oaxaca airport. http://mexico.indymedia.org/oaxaca

If they attack during the night, there likely will be significantly more death than the 4 that happend yesterday.

I am sick of the CBC and their absolute trash reporting (I know its an AP article but that its trash):

elmateo · Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject:

Here is the last footage made by Brad Will as he was shot and killed in Oaxaca on Friday, Warning while not as visually graphic it is extremely violent: http://salonchingon.com/movies/brad.mov .

elmateo · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:52 am Post subject:

Reports are coming in that the federal police started their attack this afternoon and have entered the zocalo. There is a question of whether more people have been killed and I am sure the situation right now is extremely chaotic.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2006/10/29/162836/67

Vice · Member Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 70 Location: Toronto

Is any organizing going on in toronto for solidarity?

Anyway I really hope the mexican populace destroys the state. That would really help at this moment.

bshmr · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

Locally (not Canada), a protest gathering at the local Mexican Embassey is scheduled for 18:00. It was announced over Community radio -- modelled after Pacifica and KFPA (?).

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Here are some additional sources:

http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml

OAXACA - INDYMEDIA - 30 Oct 2006
Oaxaca - Minute by Minute
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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/1535230
Report from Oaxaca: Federal Police Do Not Have Control of the City

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Brad Will:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/1535239
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/1535244
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elmateo · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:26 am Post subject:

This whole thing has hit me harder than a lot of things that happen in the world - despite not the same catastrophic piles of bodies we have seen else where in the world - it really has been the oppression of people who are struggling to bring real 'democracy' and it feels like it is almost in their grasp, but if it slips through their fingers once again...

Here is something from Narco News, on the assassination of the US reported Brad Will:

thwap · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject:

CounterPunch Series

http://counterpunch.com/marcos10312006.html ... from Subcommandante Marcos

http://counterpunch.com/gelderloos11012006.html ... a response to a nauseating Washington Post article on the assault

http://counterpunch.com/jacobs11012006.html ... interview with Oaxacan rebel

[eta: Oh yeah, there was a snippet about this in my local rag. Residents and business were "dismayed" at the renewal of the blockade. I could be sarcastic but it seems useless.]
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elmateo · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:53 am Post subject:

The Federal Police attacked the Autonomous University of Oaxaca - Benito Juarez today. They were threatening an attempt to enter the university, which following the massacre in '68 is illegal for police to enter autonomous univerisities unless requested by the rector (who is telling the police to get the hell out). They have since retreated and APPO is declaring a victory against the police, though dozens have been injured today, and more have been arrested/disappeared by the police forces in Oaxaca.

http://www.narconews.com/Issue43/article2289.html

elmateo · Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:18 am Post subject:

Here are some photos from today's "megamarch" in which tens of thousands (some say hundreds of thousands, though that seems a little bit large for the size of the city itself):
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2006/11/78870.html

A description of the days events:
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2006/11/78891.html

At the bottom the story notes:

thwap · Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:

The Toronto Star actually had decent reporting.

A quick survey of mainstream sources also showed this march had a good effect.

Whether they're buried in the back pages or even mentioned on the television news is another matter.
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Vice · Member Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 70 Location: Toronto

For a more critical analysis of the situation

This is What Recuperation Looks Like: the Rebellion in Oaxaca and the APPO

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20061115000958350

thwap · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:

http://counterpunch.com/peller12022006.html

Hephaestion · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:49 am Post subject:

Oaxacans venture out as violence eases, but many say conflict far from over