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The Evil Twin Stoned Immaculate

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3746 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: Racist White Mother or just stupid ignoramus? |
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I read this article from a self-described "white Jewish liberal" from NYC who adopted a baby from India and admits to to unease over her dark skin colour. It's causing quite the shitstorm over at Alternet with many callng her racist, questioning interracial and/or international adoptions, questioning whether its immoral for a Hindu girl to be raised as Jewish, etc. Personally, I have nothing against interracial/international adoption. I have known quite a few happy well adjusted people of Indian, Chinese or Korean origin who were adopted by white parents. I also don't think this woman is evil as she admits to feeling shame over her racist feelings but I'm confused:
full article:
http://www.alternet.org/story/40531/
| Quote: | The first photo I received of Vaishali showed her with fair skin. I was surprised, because from what my adoption agency told me, the child assigned to me would be much darker. After I got over that surprise, I had another: I felt relief. Suddenly -- guiltily -- it was a comfort to know that she would not look so different from me, and even more important, that her light skin would save her from a lifetime of prejudice.
But ah, the magic of flashbulbs. A few months later I received several more photos and gaped at them in shock. The baby was much, much darker. Worried that the child to whom I had grown unbelievably attached had been given to some other family, I sent a bewildered email to my adoption agency in Maine which then made a bewildered phone call to their trusted social worker in India, who assured us that she had seen the child on many occasions and all the photos were of the same girl. Phew, I thought, as long as this little girl is the same one I have held in my heart for three months, she is my daughter and I am going to bring her home.
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| Quote: | Back home, after a couple weeks had passed, I stared at Vaishali's naked bottom -- her darkest part -- and tried to ignore the insistent whispers of fear. Instead of brimming with pride, I felt like a trespasser, performing ablutions on this private flesh with color so foreign from my own. It was one thing to swoon over her photographs for months, but now she was in my home; she was my family. How could this be my daughter? I looked at her and tried to find similarities between us, relieved that her hair was straight, her lips not too full. Just thinking these thoughts made me feel horribly ashamed. I tried to sort emotion from fact: was it the dark color of her skin that was making me uncomfortable, or just that she did not look like me? I ached to talk to someone about it, but I was too afraid people would disapprove, would doubt my ability to be a loving mother.
I thought hard. What had I done, taking this helpless child from her native land halfway across the world? I chose to adopt from India because I felt a familial pull toward its people and its culture (there is actually a community of Indian Jews!), and because I learned that the babies were usually healthy and birthed by poor, unwed village girls who were not prone to ingesting any unhealthy substances. I wanted to give an infant girl all the human rights she deserved and every possible opportunity to find gladness at being alive. I wanted to make a family with a child who had none; I wanted her to feel wanted. But had I simply upset the balance of the world?
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This is what I don't get: this woman claims to have an affinity for Indian culture yet is surprised that her baby is dark. Furthermore the idiot feels "relief" that her hair is straight and her lips aren't too full??? What Indian culture does she feel an attraction to? Did she watch a couple of Indian movies, eat at an Indian restaurant and decide, "gee, I really like this culture, I think I'll adopt a baby from there"?
NYC is a diverse cosmopolitan city and I'd imagine an educated liberal woman would do a certain amount of research on a nation/culture she's about to adopt another human being from, no?
Again I don't know if this person is racist or just hopelessly naive. I just hope Vaishali is happy and healthy growing up. _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 17638 Location: Seceded from the Ford Nation
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Hum. That's a tough one. There were some brutal comments, weren't there? But I didn't read it quite the same way ... I saw here saying more of an "oh, god, I didn't realise that I do have racist feelings!" which happens (or should happen) to all of us. No matter what our background, we're all going to have internalised crap because of the constant barrage of racist material we're subjected to.
So while I think she does sound pretty darned naive, I found the article to be honest ... and to be speaking of something that most of us don't want to admit.
Inter-cultural adoption is another issue, though. I'm always uncomfortable with the idea that rich childless North Americans can "rescue" poor babies from developing countries ... which I acknowledge is another big huge stereotype. I'm working on it. |
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Corey Non-Threatening Boy

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:52 am Post subject: |
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A part of me can't help thinking that the author should probably have taken her misgivings to a support group and/or a counselor experienced in such things to work on in confidence, before writing them up in full confessional for ColorLines magazine and an alternative newspaper syndicate.
| The author wrote: | | Back home, after a couple weeks had passed, I stared at Vaishali's naked bottom -- her darkest part -- and tried to ignore the insistent whispers of fear. |
Yikes! If she's that worried about her daughter's being accepted in school, she could have considered the realistic prospect the Internet will still exist when she gets there, and that with this bit alone she's set up poor Vaishali for a young lifetime of taunts. 
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Makwa GothWannabee

Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 711 Location: Just this side of despair.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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I have big issues around transracial adoption. Parents who think they are well meaning may be reproducing the colonial experience on a small scale. Unless the parents are already very familier with the child's culture, and can provide the child with genuine cultural support and learning so that the child can successfully negotiate life in a white supremacist culture, they can be pulling the child into a terribly stressful environment, whereby the original culture is devalued and the dominant culture becomes the 'rescuing' environment. I am absolutely appalled at this parent for the inconsiderate and selfish choices she has made. She doesn't need "darker friends" (how colonial is that?), she needs a course in anti-racism, and fast.
PS: Did the 'giving up the seat on the subway/bus whatever' anecdote resonate with anyone but me? _________________ When the madness comes, let it flood on down and over me sweetly, let it drown the parts of me weak and blessed and damned, let it slake my life, let it take my soul and living completely, let it be who I am. {Van Der Graaf Generator}
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Makwa GothWannabee

Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 711 Location: Just this side of despair.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Whoa! Going through the posts, saw a link to this and it hit me like a slap upside the head. Dag I have a new identity!!!!
 _________________ When the madness comes, let it flood on down and over me sweetly, let it drown the parts of me weak and blessed and damned, let it slake my life, let it take my soul and living completely, let it be who I am. {Van Der Graaf Generator} |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that's quite the site, Makwa. I'm still going through it, and some of the articles under "Abduction Politics" are very strong. I didn't realise you'd been adopted ... and certainly the removal of first nations children from their families is a lasting shame for Canada.
I remember that there was a Haille Barry/Jessica Lange movie, Losing Isaiah, that had transracial adoptions as a subject, but it was a while ago that I saw it and I don't remember the details (IIRC is was pretty pro-white adoptive parents).
What doesn't often seem to get discussed with transracial (and transnational, which seems to be a growing phenomenon) is the "rescue" aspect. I wonder how many adoptive parents are activists working towards the reduction of social and international inequities? Or is it enough to get a warm glow from taking a baby or small child from detrimental circumstances? And how detrimental do those circumstances have to be?
But I don't think it would be fair to characterise everyone who adopts a baby from another race as evil exploiters with no understanding of racial and cultural issues, either. It's a hard one. |
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vee michel Nothing comes from nothing.
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 363 Location: a very calm place with lots of sunlight and right angles...
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Makwa wrote: | | I have big issues around transracial adoption. Parents who think they are well meaning may be reproducing the colonial experience on a small scale. Unless the parents are already very familier with the child's culture, and can provide the child with genuine cultural support and learning so that the child can successfully negotiate life in a white supremacist culture, they can be pulling the child into a terribly stressful environment, whereby the original culture is devalued and the dominant culture becomes the 'rescuing' environment. |
I tend to agree with this. I think that white people underestimate the knowledge and experience that people of color have in navigating a racist world -- knowledge and experience that has been gained from a lifetime of living in it, and which they are able to pass on to their children. It has always struck me as arrogant that a white parent would think s/he is able to teach a child of color about all this after reading a few books to prepare for the adoption.
At the same time, though, I think most adoptive parents are well meaning people who are trying to do the best they can by their children. Given the culture in which we are raised, it would be nearly impossible for a white adoptive parent not to reproduce the colonial experience on some scale. Providing a healthy and loving home for a child is an admirable thing to do, even when it's not done perfectly.
As far as the article, to be perfectly honest it really irritated me. I have an automatic dislike of confessionals where the liberal author probes his/her racism/sexism/etc. and lays it out on the page for praise and cookies. |
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sparqui Dog tired

Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 5152 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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I absolutely agree with Makwa and think the site linked to is an important one with respect to the larger issue of transnational/transcultural 'adoption'. Just because people who choose this option are often well-meaning, doesn't make it right. And often, you only have to scratch the surface to see an incredible degree of selfishness and repressed racism.
Foreign babies have become a market commodity that attracts adoptive parents who want quick and relatively inexpensive adoptions. Personally, I find many of these organizations to be very similar to puppy mills.
Then there is the inherent racism that dominates this business. Here is a nice excerpt from the Transracial Abductee site:
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...What it boils down to is that "African-American or Bi/multi-racial (any race combined with African-American heritage) newborns/infants" in the "Minority" program cost way less than babies in the "Traditional" program, anywhere from $4,000 to $16,000 less, with no up-front fee required. The average wait for a "Traditional" program baby is months longer than the wait for a "Minority" program baby, which can be as short as 1 month, and the rules regarding age of parents and number of children who can already be living in the home are less strict for "Minority" program applicants. While reduced fees and fewer restrictions on parent eligibility (combined with other anti-racist, anti-classist strategies) can make adoption more accessible to people of color, "Minority" programs like this one are not focused on recruiting and approving people of color to adopt... |
http://www.transracialabductees.org/politics/budget.html
For me, the underlying issue boils down to economic empowerment -- be it minority communities in North America or children in developing/transitioning economies (under the western boot of free market colonialism). If we actually worked to resolve the economic inequities that lead to orphans or children put up for adoption due to lack of resources and support, there wouldn't be a need for all these 'adoption' operations.
As for the article, I agree with many of the points raised so far. I get the sense that the woman doesn't even recognize how deep seated her racism is.
This passage in particular is mind blowing:
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...I chose to adopt from India because I felt a familial pull toward its people and its culture (there is actually a community of Indian
Jews!), and because I learned that the babies were usually healthy and birthed by poor, unwed village girls who were not prone to ingesting any unhealthy substances. I wanted to give an infant girl all the human rights she deserved and every possible opportunity to find gladness at being alive. I wanted to make a family with a child who had none... |
I've bolded four statements that are so revealing:
She is not only relieved but elated that there is some cultural connection to Judaism (adding some degree of 'sameness').
The baby won't be the product of those awful crack whores who crowd out the minority babies in the US -- at least that is the implication made by refering to babies not exposed to unhealthy substances.
Then there is the ethnocentric claptrap of doing the third world child a favour by exposing her to human rights and 'gladness'. WTF!?!?!
Finally, the ethnocentric assumption that the child has no family -- no mother, grandparents, aunties and uncles, etc -- or unconsciously, that if they exist, they are incapable of caring for the child (substandard humans by implication). _________________ “If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a tractor.”
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Corey Non-Threatening Boy

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| sparqui wrote: | | The baby won't be the product of those awful crack whores who crowd out the minority babies in the US -- at least that is the implication made by refering to babies not exposed to unhealthy substances. |
Well, she could have been thinking of the domestic adoption pool generally, White babies included. This is possibly as classist as heck, but I don't know that we can assume this part is fundamentally informed by racism.
| Quote: | | Finally, the ethnocentric assumption that the child has no family -- no mother, grandparents, aunties and uncles, etc -- or unconsciously, that if they exist, they are incapable of caring for the child (substandard humans by implication). |
Oh, yes. To say, (apparently absent any evidence they were well and truly orphaned), an adopted child has "no" family before the adoptive parent came along...
Terrible.
Would she think the child born in otherwise equivalent circumstances had "no" family if she were born to a 15 year old girl, any race, and poor and struggling maybe, but American, in the Appalachian Mountains?
So I have to wonder how much her choice to adopt from a poor unmarried Indian mother had to do with distance - physical, social, economic and legal distance, and racial distance as they tie in systemically; these distances all tying together in the author's likely assumption that Vaishali's birth mother, or father, or another family member, will never, and here I'll *wince*, darken her doorstep in her insular - but so much further advanced, she thinks - little world there, upper-middle-class New York...
I can't read her mind. Let alone her subconscious, where all these assumptions would probably stir. But the possibility, alone, deeply unsettles.
(Edited for a typo.)
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Jingles Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 264 Location: 53°31'58.04"N, 113°30'12.18"W
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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After the fall of the eastern bloc, babies from Romania became all the rage. Like the selloff of state assets, criminal theft, privitization, and other western-imposed economic weapons, the children of the poorest of the poor became just another resource to be exploited by the wealthy. It's no coinicidence that many of the foreign adoptions are from countries that have borne the brunt of the west's economic rapaciousness.
At the same time, these children are in a desperate situation. Most adoptive parents are motivated by the thought that they can do something to save one from a terrible fate. Orphan girls most likely end up traffiked as prostitutes, so the desire to do somthing concrete to help is a powerful incentive.
It is an old story. The Imperialists create these situations, then rush in to the "rescue". _________________ V V V |
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ephemeral Radical Sock-Mismatcher

Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 595 Location: Under a bridge with a laptop
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Jingles wrote: | | At the same time, these children are in a desperate situation. Most adoptive parents are motivated by the thought that they can do something to save one from a terrible fate. Orphan girls most likely end up traffiked as prostitutes, so the desire to do somthing concrete to help is a powerful incentive. |
I agree with this. I think that desire to help someone almost totally helpless and to make life financially and emotionally better for just one person in this world is so overwhelming that I don't think parents who adopt are really thinking about completely uprooting the child away from his/her own culture and forcing the child to adopt their own. So, I don't know how helpful or how fair harsh criticism of these parents would be. Perhaps, gentler education on transracial adoption is the key.
Some parents do try to give their adopted kids a sense of their native culture. Obviously, it will never live up to the cultural experience the child could have experienced growing up in his/her own country. This is not a point of focus for international adoption agencies though. The point is often to provide someone with amenities that will help the child live to be an adult.
This is kind of pointless, but somewhat interesting, I hope. There was a Christian orphanage in India that I lived in (even though I am not an orphan). It was sort of a shelter. Kids came in when they were orphans, helped out on the adjoining dairy farm, and continued to live there even as adults because it was hard to find opportunities to move away from the farm and to look after the new orphans. So many people I talked to there wished they had been adopted as kids and grown up in America (living in America is always the big dream) because they could have had the opportunities to achieve so much more in their lives. I am sure they were not thinking about issues such as racism and separation from their culture, possibly not speaking their language when they said that... kind of the same way adopting parents aren't thinking about those very things either. It's quite the fucked up world.
Where transracial adoptions fail, I wonder if there could have been a way to improve the circumstances of the adoption before completely rejecting the idea of these adoptions. Things can go terribly wrong, but there are also obvious benefits to adopting from poorer countries for the child and the child's family.
In Vaishali's case, the adoptive mother should have thought twice about her uncomfortable thoughts and feelings and approached someone for advice before the adoption. She was uncomfortable with the look of Vaishali's dark bum, and she is attracted to India in a way that brings the word 'exotification' to my mind. She might turn out to be a good mother - she sounds like she is committed to taking care of Vaishali and she sounds like she is in love with her. However, she shows no indication that she will make the effort to expose Vaishali to her cultural roots. Her attitude very clearly spells cultural imperialism, but she is probably totally unaware of that. One thing I hope for is that she will not be so obsessed with the colour of Vaishali's skin that it will cause the child to be preoccupied in a negative way with her own skin colour. _________________ and on that note... |
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Corey Non-Threatening Boy

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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And tonight BBC World aired a fascinating short piece (not available online to non-UKers, alas) on Abdul Sattar Edhi and Bilquis Edhi and the Edhi Foundation, the acclaimed non-profit social agency that they lead in Pakistan, part of whose work is running (very good and loving) orphanages and adoption services.
And it strikes me that a country's being poorer, while it of course doesn't mean prospective parents love their prospective children any one bit less, does mean that its prospective parents have incomparably less access to the fertility treatments and reproductive technologies that are becoming all but routine for prospective loving parents, trying to have children but needing such help, in the wealthier world.
Outside of extraordinary episodic collapse (potentially, the Eastern European orphanage system in recent decades, and the wake of some wars, famines or natural or man-made disasters) or long-term but localized distortions (potentially, the One Child Policy in China, and the preferring of boys in some contexts), I'm not quickly convinced that the relative population of prospective loving adoptive parents - even, within each country's prevailing economic context, financially capacious loving adoptive parents - is sure to be any higher in the Global North than the Global South, let alone so much higher as to justify the overwhelming larger flow of babies South to North.
Are the adoption agencies of Vaishali's country, India, complaining of a shortage of parents?
Adoption agencies faced with shortage of children (Roli Srivastava, The Times of India, March 12, 2004)
| Roli Srivastava wrote: | The list of parents in queue to adopt a child has grown at adoption agencies even as the number of children available has dropped. And the reasons are both good and bad.
Kaumudi Telang of the Indian Association of Adoptive Families says that... "The number of adoptive parents has not gone down but the number of children available for adoption has."
[Sunil Arora, administrator of the Bal Asha adoption agency,] adds that finding a home for children with medical problems or special needs continues to be a problem but healthy babies are able to find homes in Mumbai itself.
The main reason for fewer children available for adoption, say experts, is the decline in the number of unwed mothers thus resulting in fewer abandoned babies. Experts attribute this decline to the popularity of birth control measures among women. Even among women who go ahead with their pregnancies, fewer give up their children now, they say.
Adoption expert Nilima Mehta points out that even though an institution could be bursting at its seams, only some children would be "legally free" for adoption. But a more disturbing explanation for the falling number of children is the alleged malpractice of some doctors and adoption agencies.
Gaurang Mehta of National Association of Adoptive Families says that "baby trafficking" is on the rise. In fact, a Mahim-based doctor advertised "healthy Indian babies available" in US publications and was later arrested.
Couples tell us about certain agencies promising to "simplify procedures" - at a price - Mr Mehta says. |
Related: International adoption (Wikipedia)
The baby business (Sandyha Srinivasan, Indian Journal of Medical Ethics, April-June 2003 11(2)) |
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voice of the damned Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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I have to wonder if the people heaping praise on that "transracial abductees" webite have actually read what Tobias Hubinette, one of their featured writers, has to say.
| Quote: | The stereotyped sex roles are disastrous for us East Asians. The feminization and infantilization hitting both sexes, have direct consequences in our daily lives. East Asian men are desexualized, and are attractive only for some homosexual men or pedophiles. East Asian women are on the other hand hyper-sexualized but in a way that cannot be called sexuality: it is rather a question of power, violence and strains of pedophilia.
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Why, in an essay dedicated to enumerating the indignities inflicted upon East Asians, are we informed that "some homosexuals" are attracted to East Asian men? If his complaint is that women aren't attracted to East Asian men, can't he just say that, without having to drag same-sex white/Asian relationships into it?
Plus: "homosexuals and pedophiles"? I suppose it would be a bad thing if pedophiles were disproportinately attracted to Asian men(assuming this to be true) because pedophiles are regarded, quite rightly, as disreputable low-lifes, and people are well-advised to avoid getting dragged into their sexual practices. But I certainly wouldn't say the same thing about homosexuals. Heck, wouldn't it be a good thing for a gay Asian man if other gay men found him attractive?
http://www.transracialabductees.org/politics/samdolcritique.html |
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Makwa GothWannabee

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| VOTD wrote: | | Why, in an essay dedicated to enumerating the indignities inflicted upon East Asians, are we informed that "some homosexuals" are attracted to East Asian men? If his complaint is that women aren't attracted to East Asian men, can't he just say that, without having to drag same-sex white/Asian relationships into it? | I agree that this portion of the essay which deals with the history of international cross racial adoptions and the racism faced by transracially adopted people in Sweden is clumsily written. However, this portion of the essay seems to be an illustration what the writer feels is a common stereotype - the sexualized stereotypes of the Asian 'other' in Sweden. The writer does not appear to be agreeing with it but appears to be holding the stereotype up for analysis. However I agree that it is not very clear. I notice a number of other style and grammer problems in the essay. I wonder if the writer doesn't usually write in english? _________________ When the madness comes, let it flood on down and over me sweetly, let it drown the parts of me weak and blessed and damned, let it slake my life, let it take my soul and living completely, let it be who I am. {Van Der Graaf Generator} |
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voice of the damned Fulltime enMasse Member
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| Quote: | I wonder if the writer doesn't usually write in english?
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Tobias Hubinette is a profesor at a Swedish university. I've seen his book on the subject of inter-racial adoption for sale in the English section of a bookstore here in Gwangju. It looks fairly scholarly, from my brief perusal. The stuff on his website is another matter, though. With his sweeping generalizations about inter-cultural relationsips and marriages, he sounds like a left-wing Don Rickles.
| Quote: | Every year tens of thousands of white men of whom many are academics in Asian Studies travel to East Asia to find a wife, and they are not making any difference between countries like Korea or Thailand. East Asia is for a white man an enormous sexual fantasy with its rape myths and colonial subordination. These white men are tramping in the same footsteps as their heroes, the American soldiers who raped East Asian women and killed Asian men in countries like Korea, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Taiwan, the Philippines and Japan. The white men's sexual fantasies are reproduced in that pornographic genre called "Asian girls", a genre showing strong pedophile influences.
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This is entertaining, and somewhat enlightening, in an in-your-face, somebody-stop-this-madman sort of a way. But does it do justice to the width and the breadth of possibilites inherent in inter-cultural relationships? Hardly. If a lot of these guys traipsing over to East Asia are in fact academics studying the region, then doesn't it seem possible that a few of them at least have more elevated reasons to be over here then just scoring cheap tail?
And Hubinette kind of insults Asian women by implication. Apparently, they're all just too thick to realize that the men they're loving, dating. and marrying are all worshippers of William Calley jr. (Though knowledge of this fact has somehow been imparted to a Swedish academic.) In my experience, many if not most Korean women are well aware of the indignities foisted on their country by foreign powers, but don't equate the architects and errand-boys of imperialism with their foreign boyfriends and husbands. (Same goes for Korean men dating and married to western women, who according to Hubinette don't exist.)
Anyway, like I say. The guy's got some points, and as far as I can tell he's the reigning expert on inter-cultural adoption, an important topic no matter what side you're on. I'm just not sure if that particular website is something I'd want to show to someone as an introduction to the topic. |
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Corey Non-Threatening Boy

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| Tobias Hubinette wrote: | | Every year tens of thousands of white men of whom many are academics in Asian Studies travel to East Asia to find a wife, and they are not making any difference between countries like Korea or Thailand. East Asia is for a white man an enormous sexual fantasy with its rape myths and colonial subordination. These white men are tramping in the same footsteps as their heroes, the American soldiers who raped East Asian women and killed Asian men in countries like Korea, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Taiwan, the Philippines and Japan. |
I've had one male friend (years ago), White, of whom it could probably fairly be said that he had a bit of a 'thing' for East Asian women.
He certainly "made a difference" between countries (I suppose - it's not entirely clear what the author means here?), but most of all I have to object to the idea that he walked a single footstep of any American soldier; let alone, by God, the sexual criminals among them.
As it happened, he strongly and specifically idolized the Viet Cong and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, and he was a loyal student of their history, culture, and military successes against those said Americans. |
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voice of the damned Fulltime enMasse Member
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Bruce Cumings is an American historian, former Peace Corps in Korea, and married to a Korean. He has almost certainly done more than anyone to bring the left-wing Korean perspective to a western audience, and has probably even made a few contributions to that perspective himself.
http://www.answers.com/topic/bruce-cumings
Funny story: during the 1987 pro-democracy protests, when anti-American demos were breaking out all over the place, the US State Department asked Cumings to fly to Korea and go on the radio to tell the protestors that they had misunderstood his writings and shouldn't blame the Americans for their problems. Apparently, the guys at State thought that Cumings was the inspiration for the protesting students. Cumings replied to Foggy Bottom that he had no such influence over Korean activists, and that if the Americans wanted the protests to stop, they should quit supporting Korean dictators. |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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Long, excellent article over at AlterNet which says that the majority of babies adopted by Westerners overseas are almost certainly NOT orphans, and in many cases have been trafficked. Adopt a child stolen from its parents? It can happen.
| Quote: | ... Westerners have been sold the myth of a world orphan crisis. We are told that millions of children are waiting for their “forever families” to rescue them from lives of abandonment and abuse. But many of the infants and toddlers being adopted by Western parents today are not orphans at all. Yes, hundreds of thousands of children around the world do need loving homes. But more often than not, the neediest children are sick, disabled, traumatized, or older than 5. They are not the healthy babies that, quite understandably, most Westerners hope to adopt. There are simply not enough healthy, adoptable infants to meet Western demand -- and there’s too much Western money in search of children. As a result, many international adoption agencies work not to find homes for needy children but to find children for Western homes.
... Where do these babies come from? As international adoptions have flourished, so has evidence that babies in many countries are being systematically bought, coerced, and stolen away from their birth families. Nearly half the 40 countries listed by the U.S. State Department as the top sources for international adoption over the past 15 years -- places such as Belarus, Brazil, Ethiopia, Honduras, Peru, and Romania -- have at least temporarily halted adoptions or been prevented from sending children to the United States because of serious concerns about corruption and kidnapping. And yet when a country is closed due to corruption, many adoption agencies simply transfer their clients’ hopes to the next “hot” country. That country abruptly experiences a spike in infants and toddlers adopted overseas -- until it too is forced to shut its doors.
Along the way, the international adoption industry has become a market often driven by its customers. Prospective adoptive parents in the United States will pay adoption agencies between $15,000 and $35,000 (excluding travel, visa costs, and other miscellaneous expenses) for the chance to bring home a little one. Special needs or older children can be adopted at a discount. Agencies claim the costs pay for the agency’s fee, the cost of foreign salaries and operations, staff travel, and orphanage donations. But experts say the fees are so disproportionately large for the child’s home country that they encourage corruption.
... In reality, there are very few young, healthy orphans available for adoption around the world. Orphans are rarely healthy babies; healthy babies are rarely orphaned. “It’s not really true,” says Alexandra Yuster, a senior advisor on child protection with UNICEF, “that there are large numbers of infants with no homes who either will be in institutions or who need intercountry adoption.”
... The exception is China, where the country’s three-decades-old one-child policy, now being loosened, has created an unprecedented number of girls available for adoption. But even this flow of daughters is finite; China has far more hopeful foreigners looking to adopt a child than it has orphans it is willing to send overseas. [...] That has led many prospective parents to shop around for a country that puts fewer barriers between them and their children -- as if every country were China, but with fewer onerous regulations.
... So, where had some of these adopted babies come from? Consider the case of Ana Escobar, a young Guatemalan woman who in March 2007 reported to police that armed men had locked her in a closet in her family’s shoe store and stolen her infant. After a 14-month search, Escobar found her daughter in pre-adoption foster care, just weeks before the girl was to be adopted by a couple from Indiana. DNA testing showed the toddler to be Escobar’s child. In a similar case from 2006, Raquel Par, another Guatemalan woman, reported being drugged while waiting for a bus in Guatemala City, waking to find her year-old baby missing. Three months later, Par learned her daughter had been adopted by an American couple.
... Some manufactured orphans are indeed found in what Westerners call “orphanages.” But these establishments often serve less as homes to parentless children and more as boarding schools for poor youngsters. Many children are there only temporarily, seeking food, shelter, and education while their parents, because of poverty or illness, cannot care for them. Many families visit their children, or even bring them home on weekends, until they can return home permanently. In 2005, when the Hannah B. Williams Orphanage in Monrovia, Liberia, was closed because of shocking living conditions, 89 of the 102 “orphans” there returned to their families. In Vietnam, “rural families in particular will put their babies into these orphanages that are really extended day-care centers during the harvest season,” says a U.S. Embassy spokeswoman in Hanoi. In some cases, unscrupulous orphanage directors, local officials, or other operators persuade illiterate birth families to sign documents that relinquish those children, who are then sent abroad for adoption, never to be seen again by their bereft families.
Other children are located through similarly nefarious means. Western adoption agencies often contract with in-country facilitators -- sometimes orphanage directors, sometimes freelancers -- and pay per-child fees for each healthy baby adopted. These facilitators, in turn, subcontract with child finders, often for sums in vast excess of local wages. These paydays give individuals a significant financial incentive to find adoptable babies at almost any cost.
... For a more comprehensive solution, the best hope may be the Hague Convention on Intercountry Adoption, an international agreement designed to prevent child trafficking for adoption. On April 1, 2008, the United States formally entered the agreement, which has 75 other signatories. In states that send children overseas and are party to the convention, such as Albania, Bulgaria, Colombia, and the Philippines, Hague-compatible reforms have included a central government authority overseeing child welfare, efforts to place needy children with extended families and local communities first, and limits on the number of foreign adoption agencies authorized to work in the country. The result, according to experts, has been a sharp decline in baby buying, fraud, coercion, and kidnapping for adoption. |
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Tehanu More or less, more or less

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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Not what she ordered, I guess. A woman in Tennessee sent a seven-year-old boy she had adopted from Russia back. With a note. Alone.
| Quote: | Russia threatened to suspend all child adoptions by U.S. families Friday after a seven-year-old boy adopted by a woman from Tennessee was sent alone on a one-way flight back to Moscow with a note saying he was violent and had severe psychological problems.
... Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called Hansen's actions "the last straw" in a string of U.S. adoptions gone wrong, including three in which Russian children had died in the U.S.
... In Tennessee, authorities were investigating the adoptive mother, Torry Hansen, 33.
... According to a copy of the letter published in Britain's Daily Mail, Hansen said she adopted Artyom in September but was lied to by workers at the Russian orphanage from where he came.
"This child is mentally unstable," the letter reads. "He is violent and has severe psychopathic issues.
"After giving my best to this child, I am sorry to say that for the safety of my family, friends and myself, I no longer wish to parent this child."
... In the past, Russia has tried to get the U.S. to sign an accord outlining conditions for international adoptions and the obligations of host families, but to date, the U.S. has refused. |
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