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[Mr. Anonymous]

AKA chemtrails.

Decades ago, planes under certain conditions of altitude, temperature, and humidity produced thin lines behind them, known as contrails. These contrails were thin and dispersed quickly, usually in 5 minutes or less. As they were a result of the effects of the hot engine on a specific set of atmospheric conditions, they were harmless aside from the minimal effect of the pollution from said engines.

Today we often see something quite different. Termed Chemtrails by observers and researchers, these emissions are much thicker, stick around much longer (up to 30 minutes or more), and indeed spread out in the sky as time goes on- something which normal contrails (condensation trails) simply cannot do under the laws of physics as we understand them. Also unique is the fact that you can sometimes see them start and stop, also something not occuring in natural condensation trails.

What are these chem-trails composed of and what is their purpose? Why does not major media not report on this despite the obviousness of the difference between normal contrails and what we are seeing toda? While numerous theories exist on the subject (and I can't claim to know which one or ones are true) websites dealing with this strange issue include:

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/#intro
http://www.airapparent.ca/
www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html
www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Regardless, the fact that this is so unusual IMO warrents some investigation, especailly insofar as the association between respiratory illness and heavy chemtrail formation is a legitimate one.
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[angrymonkey]

Wouldn't this be a dumb way of secretly conducting experiments?
Using planes like crop dusters just seems so low-tech.
And why don't they fly at night at least to obscure their trails?

[Wee Mousie]

[Toedancer]

Wow, this is absolutely fascinating. According to one of the links above, it could be about population control, the weak die off.

My partner is now under the care of a Tropical Disease Expert, all tests for everything under the sun have given no diagnosis. All negative, including pulmonary fibrosis.

He just came home today from H, 3rd H'ion since November. All for respiratory/double pneumonias/walking pneumonia.

What's weird is that I am forever pointing out the chemtrails in the sky, wondering why they do not dissipate, why that have such a distinct start and stop and so on. Whoever is accompanying me always answers it is just the jet trails, nothing to worry about. I hate it when I notice a distinction and it is not validated. But then again, I do spend more time looking up during the day and the night, than most people around me.

What's also interesting to me is that his immune system has been virtually wiped out. What's even more interesting to me, is there is no diagnosis, none. Now my curiosity is aroused like never before. I am wondering.
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[Privateer]

One day a few weeks ago, I was waiting for the bus and looked up. There were five identical streaks across the sky, all with identical spacing between them. I asked another guy at the bus stop to look at it and he was as amazed as I was. I didn't like it. I don't what's going on, but something is up. And yeah, I've been fighting off respiratory infections like never before (even when I was a smoker).

BTW has anyone else seen Faustus Bidgood? Remember the "grid" that guy saw in the sky after being hit over the head by a frozen bag of soup?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Faustus_Bidgood

[Sineed]

[Privateer]

We're talking about chemtrails not contrails.

[Toedancer]

How credible is Rense? I mean there is alot of husking going on.
Who hosts the site? Anybody know?

I ask because this was linked to Sense.

IMAGINE a world where wars are fought over the internet; where TV broadcasts and newspaper reports are designed by the military to confuse the population; and where a foreign armed power can shut down your computer, phone, radio or TV at will.

In 2006, we are just about to enter such a world. This is the age of information warfare, and details of how this new military doctrine will affect everyone on the planet are contained in a report, entitled The Information Operations Roadmap, commissioned and approved by US secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld and seen by the Sunday Herald.

The Pentagon has already signed off $383 million to force through the document’s recommendations by 2009. Military and intelligence sources in the US talk of “a revolution in the concept of warfare”. The report orders three new developments in America’s approach to warfare:

lFirstly, the Pentagon says it will wage war against the internet in order to dominate the realm of communications, prevent digital attacks on the US and its allies, and to have the upper hand when launching cyber-attacks against enemies. here: http://www.sundayherald.com/54975
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[Diane Demorney]

Boy, nobody here listens to late night radio much, do they?
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
then just search for "chemtrails"....
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[Wee Mousie]

[HalifaxKid]

This page is very accurate- http://educate-yourself.org/ct/#intro

[Sineed]

More nonsense from Rense' website:

[Mush]

May I suggest...

Edited to add:
On that "educate yourself" site, he also has a page dedicated to showing how "peak oil" is another mind-control attempt by the Illuminati... dude...enugh, already.

[Senor Magoo]

[DWC]

Referring back to the post that launched this thread.

Contrails today are the same as contrails fifty years ago, and will be the same as contrails 100 years from now. There's this amazing invention called 'film' which allows you to verify this for yourself... look at footage from the Battle of Britain in 1940, and the hundreds of contrails crisscrossing the sky over South England.

Today they appear in grids because jetways, the routes airliners fly along, are in grids - the planes have to have a separation of X number of feet vertically and horizontally. This is part of an enormous international plot by the International Civil Aviation Organization to stop planes from flying into one other.

Sometimes the patterns are regular, depending on wind conditions, sometimes not. Sometimes the contrails stay solid for a long time just as clouds stay solid for a long time, sometimes they spread, change and disappear, just as clouds can.

They start and stop abruptly for the same reasons clouds start and stop abruptly; some parts of the atmosphere cause condensation into visible form, some do not. Military pilots have long known this; those trying to avoid detection would take care not to 'pull a con', and would climb or dive to avoid the atmospheric conditions that caused the contrail to form.

Assuming for a second that the premise of chemtrails is valid they would be very inefficient. If you drop a piece of paper from your desk you don't know where it will land; the air currents in your room could let it drop straight down, or could catch it and carry it across the room. Imagine dropping a piece of paper from 30,000 ft - it could land anywhere across an enormous swath of land. So you wouldn't know where the chems in your chemtrails go. What a waste! You're trying to poison people in Fredericton and instead you give asthma to a bunch of Cape Bretoners...

Contrails are bad, not for the various bizarre reasons cited in this thread, but because they contribute to the greenhouse effect by creating a haze when they dissipate that traps heat.

The contents of contrails, while again not as weird as suggested here, are also extremely harmful in their contributions to emissions. Jet fuel is kerosene, and it is being pumped into a particularly delicate part of the atmosphere. The aviation and environmental industries are spending millions trying to figure out ways to reduce this problem.

As for the excellently silly suggestion that this is all some sort of population control: I have to wonder why, in the developing world, with few jetways but a lot of weak people to kill off, you don't see many 'chemtrails'. But Nova Scotia, admittedly full of dangerous Maritimers in need of euthanasia but not exactly densely populated, is, completely coincidentally I'm sure, located under some of the busiest jetways in the world and therefore under lots of contrails...

So, this thread is dedicated to completely insane claims about something that doesn't exist, ignoring the fact that the clearly visible reality - contrails, formed by aircraft - are dangerous and something that should be better dealt with by an informed public and government. Which is the better subject for debate by progressives?

Oh. Right. Carry on...

This is one of those threads I wish I'd never read. With all the real and clear problems to solve we burrow into neo-occult rubbish instead.

I'll now go back to hunting for the CIA-funded Yeti making genetically modifed WMDs in my backyard, duly reminded of the strength and relevance of the Canadian left.

[Mr. Anonymous]

Sorry guys, but unless atmospheric physics has changed drastically in the last 15 or so years, condensation trails are not thick, do not stick around for long periods of time, and do not spread out into large clouds after ten or more minutes.

Not to mention that many of these non-condensation like trails do not correlate to any air traffic scheduled by air trafic controlers in large airports where they are cited, ie. NATO countries.

As for the theories, I say again: just because data that goes against the mainstream theory doesen't corespond with one alternative theory, doesn't mean that it - or any other alternative theory - should not be considered.
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[Fidel]

[sparqui]

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[No Yards]

This reminds me of Sept 12, 2001 and the four or five days following when all air traffic was grounded in North America.

Never can I remember a time when the air seemed so clear and healthy.

I wonder if any scientists were sharp enough to do some air quality studies in North America during those few days?

[Boom Boom]

I live below Labrador, and the air forces using Goose Bay as a base used to fly low over the Gulf and occasionally you'd see them. There was a crash several years ago of a German Air Force jet fighter and Chevery was used as the staging ground for the recovery effort (Canadian Forces using those antique Sea King choppers). You don't see these aircraft flying low here anymore, but every clear day you see long trails in the sky, very high up.

[Mr. Anonymous]

William Thomas is a long-term investigator of this and other topics that go un- or poorly reported by the mainstream press.

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/index.htm is the page of his site on chemtrails.

For more in depth information on this and similar topics, he has also written some books:

- Chemtrails Confirmed
- All Fall Down: The Politics of Terror and Mass Persuasion
- Bringing The War Home (The Secret Bio-War In The Gulf)

His theory is that the chemtrails are for weather/climate modification, and that the illness associated with them are known - but unintended - consequences of the spraying. As the titles of his other two books might suggest though, he is no apologist for the perpetrators.
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[transplant]

An interesting insight into the tautological nature of conspiracy theories is Mute Evidence, by Daniel Kagan and Ian Summers. The authors started out to investigate the phenomenon of cattle mutilations in the Southwest in the 1970s and found that the real story was how the conspiracy theorists fed off each other, citing each other's speculations and estimates as authoritative sources daisy-chain fashion. The authors concluded that even if the phenomenon were real it rapidly became so tainted that no serious study was possible.

But perhaps that is exactly what "they" intended to happen....

[Mr. Anonymous]

[Mr. Anonymous]

Thought I would bump this thread as summer is approaching which means more people outside during the day. As chemtrails have been reported to contain aluminum (linked to dementia, alzheimers, and other health complaints) and viruses (perhaps from the atmosphere), people spending any time outdoors may be well advised to take precautions. (Past reports link heavy "spray days" with flu symptoms and increased hospital admissions for respiratory problems, especially amongst children).

I would suggest chlorophyll (helps with heavy metal detoxification) and anti-oxidants vitamins (alpha-lipoic acid being the best by far) for flu symptoms, especially for children and the elderly, and for those with weakened immune systems.

A letter to your member of parliament wouldn't hurt either...
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[Jingles]

Contrails aren't any different now then they were at the dawn of aviation. On any summer day, observe the planes flying overhead. Watch their contrails. And then note how they behave on different days and in different atmospheric conditions. If the condition is correct, contrails can dissipate immediately, or remain for hours.

My guess is that the whole "chemtrail" business started like the crop circle guys, or the Piltdown man: A practical joke that got bigger than the originators intended, and took on a life of its own.

If the gubmint, or the freemasons, or the illuminati, or the people from area 51 want us sick, wouldn't it make more sense to spike the water?

[Maestro]

A few years ago I lived in Vernon, BC. A major flight path into Vancouver was almost directly overhead.

On some days, the contrails left by the jets flying overhead would all trail off into the sunset (in spring and fall when the sun was further south).

Some days it was fantastically beautiful, an orange/red sky with darker trails wiggling their way down toward the sunset.

Sometimes the contrails existed, sometimes not.

If chemtrails actually exist it shouldn't be too hard to discover. After all, the chemical must be in the jet fuel, and all jet fuel comes from easy to find sources.

The people that work in the kerosene refineries would know if something was added to the fuel. The truckers would know if the fuel came from some place other than the normal kerosene refinery.

Not all jets have contrails. Therefore, if there are chemtrails, they are only on some flights, meaning someone has to be picking flights.

A simple check of the fuel tanks of jets would show residues of any chemical not associated with normal kerosene.

And whatever chemical that is supposedly added would have to be resistant to very high temperatures, in that all of it would be going through the jet engine.

Once you start to imagine the actual mechanics of how chemtrails would have to be done, their possibility disappears almost as fast as they say the contrails do.
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[Senor Magoo]

My money is on "mind control". Sure, it would be super-easy to disseminate spores from a secret biological weapon that would give humans all kinds of diseases (you didn't really think disease was natural, did you??) or dump a poison onto the earth to kill people (did you know that humans are dying off so fast that if we all skipped even just two generations of reproduction we'd go extinct?). But really, mind control is where it's at.

Who needs to kill people if your top secret magic mind control powder can reduce them to automatons?

And apropos of nothing, why do you suppose the average voter tends to regard the left as not being ready to govern in the real world?
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[DTA]

I do not doubt for a minute what "Chemtrails" really are. You can not trust any government as they all lie through their teeth. I just worry what might be in them. Especially since some governments (US, Russia, UK, France, Iran) have extraterrestrial technology and gawd knows what they are doing to people.

[elmateo]

You didn't hear what happened to Jane Goodall in the jungle? You thought noahm chimpsky was as smart as they got?? Let me tell you Jane Goodall found the super evolved apes and they took control of her mind. Ever wonder why a monkey got sent up to space? They are building a death ray on the moon as we speak to control us all. These trails are left behind by the apes invisible machines.

Not everything is aliens.

[Norse of 60]

[Senor Magoo]

Uh, the reason those contrails can so accurately predict the weather is, of course, because it's the contrails that are controlling it. If they weren't also scrambling your mind, you'd know that. But of course you DO already know that, since you're clearly just a well-paid CSIS mole, posting COINTEL on leftist bulletin boards, pretending that contrails are harmless weather predictors. That said, if you haven't been taking your antidote, you may very well have been brainwashed into believing that you're a CSIS mole, when in fact you're just a regular citizen, caught up in the web of lies, dishonesty, misinformation and deceit that is contrails.

Anyway, vote Left! The Left will tell you what those jet exhaust trails really are! Also, the planes were remote controlled, the tower was rigged with explosives, and Building 7 is where the Bilderbergers kept the stolen Gold!!!
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[elmateo]

Magoo is trying to stigmatize everyone into voting right it seems. Hmm. How much longer can he keep HIS game up I wonder?

[Senor Magoo]

For as long as my CSIS membership card keeps getting me free scoops at Baskin Robbins, basically.

Seriously though. It's time the Left stopped with the wooly-headedness. The left represents labour, equality, women, diversity, the social safety net... and oh ya, an open mind to the idea that maybe the exhaust behind airplanes is a government plot to control our minds. Elect us! Elect us and we'll put a stop to the mind control, toot sweet!
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[Fidel]

Was MK Ultra real or not Magoo ?. Did our stoogocratic governments okay the CIA's testing of nerve gas and agent orange in Canada or not ?. Reverse-boogleyoo to you, too.

Heeey, come to think of it, Mr Magoo could have been a shadow government leader in Ottawa for a number of decades during the cold war. :naughty: WE know, the nose KNOWS!!!
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[elmateo]

[Fidel]

And the ultra right should cease being the source of conspiracies.
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[Jacob Two-Two]

I disagree entirely. I want all the crackpot loony conspiracy theories you can give me. There are a lot of things happening in our world that we are not privy to. Anyone who can't accept this really is a nutcase. The only way we will find out what those things are is by testing the validity of a lot of loopy-sounding theories, because eventually some of them will end up being very valid indeed. The real world is darn loopy in itself.

I consider the conspiracy theorist to be doing a public service, and yet all they get is ridicule simply because they are wrong the majority of the time. Well, of course they are. It's the nature of theorising about the "unknown unknowns" in our world that most of the time you'll be way off. It's a highly creative endeavor, that requires building elaborate scenarios from little evidence. Nevertheless, it is an essential activity in a vigilant society.

When (not if) conspiracies exist, you can't wait until the evidence to prove them falls into your lap in order to take action on them, because most of the time that just won't happen. Rarely is someone caught literally with their hand in the cookie jar. Rather, their deeds are tracked down by somebody who sees small inconsistencies and theorises foul play behind them. This leads them to ask questions and seek information that others aren't noticing, and if the theory is valid it leads to evidence. Evidence which is seen merely as inconsistencies by those who have not constructed a conspiracy narrative to explain it, so the true import of it escapes them.

All good journalists are conspiracy theorists, as are all good investigators. Obviously their theories have more consequences, so they need to be more conservative than you or I, but we need the crazier theorists too. The ones out on the fringe making the bolder claims. Even they're right sometimes, and if we find out it's only because of them. Honestly, I don't think there's enough kooks and cranks in the world to keep up with all the skullduggery that exists in the halls of the powerful, much of it out of our sight. When everybody's thinking the same, then nobody's thinking. I think what the world needs is a lot more heretics.

[elmateo]

I personally do not lump being critical with "conspiracy theory". I think there are limits to the usefulness of what should/needs to be considered. I do not think we have come to terms with the amount of information humans have to process in today's world, and I am not certain that humans need ever single possible scenario thrown at them to make a good decision. Conspiracy theories often fall into the "too much useless information" category for me. If that is undemocratic whathaveyou, I have no problems with that, as I have stated in other ways, I do not think absolute freedom leads to uptimal freedom. Same with different ideas.

[Senor Magoo]

[sparqui]

Great post Jacob 2-2!

I don't get where you can draw the conclusion that the Left is comprised by a vast majority of conspiracy theorists. Most of the New World Order and Bilderberg obsessed tend to be fringe rightwing groups, some closely allied to the militia movement and other strange Libertarian sects.

As for questioning government actions, especially when history has proven that such things as black ops and CIA manipulation of events are fact, is absolutely healthy. To accept the status quo without question is akin to following lemmings over a cliff in my view.
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[elmateo]

[Maestro]

[peterjcassidy]

I would say one reason conspiracy theories abound, on the right and on the left, is that we really don't have open transparent societies where all the actions of government, corporations, groups, individuals etc. are subject to scrutiny. There are "conspiracies" of various sorts- ranging from a few people getting together to plan the takeover of the local bowling league or Duceppe conspiring to take over the PQ to companies hiding financial misdealings or data on environmental damages to assassination plots and coups

At the same time there has been an information overload with an attention deficit. There is so much info we cannot digest it all and we only pay attention to something if it is part of our structured diet of info, say what the media we consume provide us - or it comes out in an attention grabbing way. So Bosclair doesn't say that his leadership may be up for review and that Duceppe may be a candidate to replace him- he talks of a plot. Colourful language but probably essentially true.

Is there a conspiracy going on around the Air India inquiry or is Bartlemann a "nut case?"

[Fidel]

Some American friends believe that the ten year-long medieval siege of Iraq, "Shock and Appall" and the outrageous lies were all about removing a former CIA stooge who had the goods on western corporations which were given the a-okay to sell and arm Iraq with chemical, biological and even nuclear weapons technology. The A-Okays were granted by Jorge Bush Sr. and Maggie Thatcher. They both lied their heads off in respective parliaments concerning Iraqgate, and so something had to be done to give a former CIA point man the permanent hook. The Democrats fumbled Iraqgate all to hell, a conspiracy for warfiteering and arming both Iraq as well as their arch enemies in the region to the eye teeth.

I think they actually expected to find the "throwdowns" of chemical and biological weapons sold to Saddam by western corporations and Defence Departments for at least the first three years of the war with Iran. CIA pawn and former Canadian Gerald Bull was responsible for the S. African apartheid regime's military advantage over ANC. And Bull also supplied Saddam with weapons technology with CIA approval in the 1980's. The Bush family and friends of the War Party aids and abets the enemy, from Hitler to bin Laden, Saddam and about 36 of the most brutal right-wing dictatorships in the last century. That's what they do And then comes the warfiteering, the double bubble, when taxpayers have to pay for war to fix their deliberate mistakes. It's been one long hustle, one continuous sting perpetrated on American taxpayers, and the warfiteers, Wall Street jackals and friends in the energy sector are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste"
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[Senor Magoo]

[No Yards]

As I've called for a number of times ... there should be no such thing as secrecy when it comes to government agencies ... no "National secrets act"; all budgeting process open through the whole process' CSIS and the RCMP can only keep any investigation, be it criminal or terrorist, secret for one year, government bids all open and public during the entire process from start to "end of life",

Hell, I'd even go so far as to tell business that they are under the same rules if they want to do business in Canada ... completely open accounts and dealings at all times.

The only 'secrecy' that should be allowed to exist is personal (individuals, not corporations or businesses ... if I own a business, then my personal information is private, but anything at all to do with my business is completely open at all times.)

Think of it as a policy of "laissez faire truth"

[Senor Magoo]

Fair enough, but how would any of that convince a conspiracy theorist?

If they didn't get the answers they wanted, all they'd do is insist that some "secret" layer of government was still hiding the truth.

There's no big blanket of secrecy surrounding how steel behaves under extreme heat. There's no attempt to supress the physics of how buildings fall. The information is all out there, and it's doing nothing whatsoever.

And do you know why it's doing nothing? The KooKs want information that "proves" that Bush flew remote control jets into the towers. Anything that doesn't support that hypothesis is deemed "misinformation", and what's more, "another layer of coverup".
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[elmateo]

Again more information isn't what is important, it's getting the 'right' information out. Conspiracy theories popping up more today IMO because there is too much information. Putting together information on everything you see/read about in a logical manner takes a lot of f'n work (anyone who has written a university paper...). Conspiracy theories to me often take the most basic pieces of information available, and start to fill in the more difficult information with often creative substitutes. This can be a valuable skill, if done responsibly and with significant background knowledge. But if you just take the base assumptions and start tossing in whatever you'd like to fill the gaps (like governments spraying people with chemtrails, not sure how you come up with that conclusion, and take it further by saying they are trying to keep down the birthrate) then I think you have a problem. You are making the problem worse not better - you are adding to the pile of information that makes it more difficult to find the truthful bits.

Maestro paints a pretty good picture of the post 9/11 investigation. The US government wasn't particularly secretive with information - they gave tons of it. They gave so much that it was hard to piece anything together. You get people who see this mass of information, trying to connect pieces and it becomes a huge headache so they start putting stuff where they got frustrated. The fact that it was information based upon lies, and therefore didn't add up, made it all the more enticing to put in filler where the pieces didn't make sense (and since there were so many lies that happened often). Rather than get people to do the quality research such an event deserved right away, you had two camps form - one who was completely lazy and took everything the government said as truth, and the other who tried to put things together and started filling in gaps on their own with crazy substitutes (ie Mossad planned it all).

There was a small group of people who were sitting there putting together all the pieces and working to fill in the gaps with the real truth, but between those two camps no one would listen. Now as more and more comes out as a huge backlash against the Bush administration (ie from Tenent) it is that ignored group of people which seems to have been most correct: the Bush government was told of the problem, was incompetent, and then exploited the situation for their own goals. A "conspiracy theory" in the truest definition, but something I would very much like to separate from Area 51, Chemtrails, and the Illuminati (etc.). The largest problem is this: because of the intensive focus for so long between the two camps, gov't=truth and conspiracy extraordinaries, very little people have the energy, ability, or lack of 'prejudice' to see the truth of the pieces as they come together.

This is a problem I have with people who say the internet is going to improve democracy and people's awareness. I do not think it necessarily will, and if we aren't careful will make getting truth even more difficult. There is only so much information the human brain can process, divide that by the way in which people willingly spend their time in consuming political information, and put them in front of a computer with access to the world's knowledge - you can have a serious problem of increasing the likelihood people are going to use false information to make decisions. The fact that people make wrong decisions once and a while is a normal problem, probably healthy, but if they are overwhelmingly making bad decisions because of too much information, then we have a serious problem. We have to be a lot more responsible with the information that we DO communicate with others on this medium. In many ways we have to be even more conscientious of what is 'important' for people to know.

[Maestro]