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Were any of them queer? 'Coz the fellow I quoted above never said it was "shocking". He said it mattered.
And I would agree, not least of all, to Mr. Martin himself.
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Johnny Weir Insinuates Evan Lysacek is Gay
Seems kinda prick-ish, coming from someone who steadfastly refuses to say whether he is gay or not himself.
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Actor Anna Paquin comes out as bi.
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Yay! One more for the team. 
(Plus, she is very, very cool.) |
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Real life "English Patient" was gay
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Justin (Mark Indelicato) comes out on "Ugly Betty"
*sigh*... how romantic... 
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Contemporary Christian folk-rock singer-guitarist Jennifer Knapp comes out as gay. She won the 1999 Dove Awards for New Artist and Rock Song and was nominated for the 2001 Grammy for Best Rock Gospel Album. She has been with her same-sex partner since 2002.
She tells Christianity Today: "As a Christian, I'm doing that as best as I can. The heartbreaking thing to me is that we're all hopelessly deceived if we don't think that there are people within our churches, within our communities, who want to hold on to the person they love, whatever sex that may be, and hold on to their faith."
Jennifer Knapp Comes Out: Veteran artist returns after seven-year hiatus with a feisty new album, Letting Go, while also revealing that she's gay (Mark Moring, Christianity Today, web-posted April 13, 2010)
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| Lisa Respers France, of CNN, wrote: | In 2008, Christian singer/songwriter Ray Boltz came out as a gay man after a 20-year career in the industry. In 2009, gospel star Tonex went public with his homosexuality as a guest on "The Lexi Show," a popular program on the Christian channel The Word Network.
Lexi, who is also a gospel music artist, said that while many in the Christian music industry are aware of who is gay, "we don't talk about it, because that's the unspoken rule."
Lexi said she doubts most fans will ever fully embrace an openly gay artist, but she points to other artists who have been able to straddle the line between secular music and songs of faith.
"I think some Christians will totally avoid [Knapp] and say that she is the devil and all that, but there are some that are more open who will embrace her new material," Lexi said. "Then she will find a new audience."
Mark Moring, senior associate editor for Christianity Today, was one of the first to write about Knapp's revelation and said it has been extremely polarizing among his publication's audience. People have vacillated between anger that Christianity Today would even write the story and praise for Knapp's honesty, he said. |
Christian music star Jennifer Knapp comes back and comes out (Lisa Respers France, CNN website, April 16, 2010) |
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| Quote: | | ...anger that Christianity Today would even write the story... |
Keep us ignorant! Keep us ignorant! Keep us ignorant!
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South Carolina Teabaggers Call Out Sen. Lindsey Graham For Being Gay
| Quote: | A teabagger at a Tea Party rally in Greenville, South Carolina late last week gay-baited Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), questioning what it is about Graham that separates his values from those of the Tea Party. Says the speaker:
| Quote: | | Barney Frank has been more honest and brave than you. At least we know about Barney Frank, nobody’s going to hold it over his head. Look, I’m a tolerant person. I don’t care about your private life, Lindsey. But as our U.S. senator, I need to figure out why you’re trying to sell out your own countrymen, I need to make sure you being gay isn’t it. |
Salon writes:
| Quote: | | What's interesting here is the thought obviously running through the speaker's head: that something about the personal features of a politician like Barney Frank or Lindsey Graham explains their otherwise disagreeable behavior. The argument isn't that Frank and, supposedly, Graham, are horrible liberal traitors, and gay to boot. It’s that they are, or might be, horrible liberal traitors because they're gay. And once you notice this type of argument here, you realize that it's everywhere. This is the basic case against President Obama as well. It's not just that his policies are bad. It's that he is somehow not one of us, doesn't understand our country and its traditions, and so is in fact working for the other side. |
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Pennsylvania politico outed as straight?
| Quote: | Here's something new. Pennsylvania State House candidate Babette Josephs says her opponent Gregg Kravitz is pretending to be bisexual to court the gay vote, so she outed him as straight. The Philadelphia Inquirer reports:
| Quote: | | Veteran Rep. Babette Josephs (D., Phila.) last Thursday accused her primary opponent, Gregg Kravitz, of pretending to be bisexual in order to pander to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender voters, a powerful bloc in the district. 'I outed him as a straight person,' Josephs said during a fund-raiser at the Black Sheep Pub & Restaurant, as some in the audience gasped or laughed, 'and now he goes around telling people, quote, 'I swing both ways.' That's quite a respectful way to talk about sexuality. This guy's a gem.' Kravitz, 29, said that he is sexually attracted to both men and women and called Josephs' comments offensive. 'That kind of taunting is going to make it more difficult for closeted members of the LGBT community to be comfortable with themselves,' Kravitz said. 'It's damaging.' But others said the remarkable quarrel itself was a sign of progress. |
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Putin: President Medvedev and I are not gay
| Quote: | Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, on a visit to Italy, responded to a reporter's question about his close relationship with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, denying there was anything romantic about their "marriage." The NYT reports:
| Quote: | During a visit to Italy, Mr. Putin mocked a question from an Italian reporter who wanted him to explain the secrets to success in a “political marriage.” Mr. Putin has led Russia jointly with Mr. Medvedev for the past two years, after term limits prevented Mr. Putin from running for a third consecutive term as president.
Mr. Putin said the question had been phrased “in a very literary way.”
“Mr. Medvedev and I are people of a traditional orientation,” Mr. Putin said. “I can tell you this with complete certainty. As for marital unions, you have exaggerated a bit. But we are friends, friends for many years, I have already said this. And the way that we have arranged our work today — it seems to me, we can be proud of this.”
Mr. Putin was speaking at a news conference with Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, with whom he has long had a close (working) relationship.
When it was his turn to speak, Mr. Berlusconi added his own quip.
“I have experience in many areas: in urban planning, in publishing, in sports, in television, in public works,” Mr. Berlusconi said. “But I have not done so well with regards to marriage, so I will not begin to give advice.” |
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Chely Wright, country music singer and songwriter, 1995 Academy of Country Music award winner for Best New Female Vocalist, #1 country chart success in 1999 for "Single White Female," Kansan of the Year for 2002, comes out as lesbian.
| Blaine Zuckerman, in People magazine, wrote: | "Nothing in my life has been more magical than the moment I decided to come out," she says.
Wright, 39, recalls of her youth in the South: "I don't have a memory in my life that doesn't include the dream of making music." But during her childhood and rapid ascent to fame in the county world, she also experienced a community in which homosexuality was shunned. "I hid everything for my music," says Wright. |
Country Music Artist Chely Wright Comes Out (Blaine Zuckerman, People, web-posted Monday, May 3, 2010)
Congratulations! But, significant style point demerit for Wright's telling People: "There had never, ever been a country music artist who had acknowledged his or her homosexuality." Commenters there properly note k.d. lang, and Kristen Hall formerly of Sugarland. Further, hey:
| Tina Gianoulis, in glbtq, wrote: | | Gay and lesbian audiences are attracted to the country scene for several reasons. First, the sincerity of country's exploration of the emotions and experiences of working people draws many disenfranchised Americans to country. Then, there are the outfits. Ever since country left its simple hillbilly roots behind, the pageantry of bouffant hair and spangled cowboy shirts has been as much a part of the country music scene as wailing fiddles and moaning slide guitars. |
Country Music (Tina Gianoulis, glbtq: An Encyclopedia of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer Culture, 2002, last updated December 1, 2005)
And: 6 More Out Lesbian & Bisexual Country Musicians For Your Collection (Autostraddle, May 4, 2010)
ETA: You know, maybe she meant when she started out. That still wouldn't be accurate (cf. Wilma Burgess), but, still. |
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Speculation in Spain as Barcelona footballers Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Gerard Pique are photographed having intimate moment
A moment caught on camera between Barcelona football stars Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Gerard Pique is stirring up a lot of speculation in Spain and in the football world. Guanabee writes:
| Quote: | | The image has caused people to speculate over the nature of their relationship. We should note that Ibrahimovic is married with children, and Piqué has been linked to Bollywood actress Lisa Lazarus. That, however, doesn’t preclude them from being involved with one another. |
x-posted in the "gay athletes" thread
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| Corey wrote: | | Chely Wright, country music singer and songwriter, 1995 Academy of Country Music award winner for Best New Female Vocalist, #1 country chart success in 1999 for "Single White Female," Kansan of the Year for 2002, comes out as lesbian.... |
Country Music Singer Claims He Was Misquoted By Chely Wright
| Quote: | In her new memoir, newly out Chely Wright reveals a moment in her life a decade ago when fellow country music singer John Rich took her aside and flat out asked her if the rumors that she was a lesbian were true. She writes: “[John] said, ‘You’re not gay are you?!’ I said, ‘No, John, I’m not.’ He said, ‘Good, thank God.’ And that began a spiral for me. I had a meltdown shortly after that.”
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Wright has been making the media rounds and had an interesting thing to tell the LA Times about the intolerance she faces within her industry:
| Quote: | | Historically, country music would rather an artist be a drunk — they even encourage and endorse that one...They would rather you were a drug addict than be gay. They will forgive you if you beat your wife, lose your kids to state, get six divorces, make a sex tape, get labeled as a tramp — any and all of it is better than being gay. |
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Click on the link to read Rich's equivocations.
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Don't Dare Call Zlatan Ibrahimovic Gay
| Quote: | Remember all that speculation that arose last week about the relationship between Barcelona football stars Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Gerard Pique after pictures of the two in a seemingly intimate pose were published?
According to the sports blog Daily Tackle, a female reporter out right asked Ibrahimovic in person if he was gay. The footballer responded to her question quite bluntly: He told her: "Come to my house with your sister and see if I'm queer."
Ok then. |
Note, however, that he never actually answered the question.
x-posted in the 'gay athletes' thread
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Michelangelo Signorile: Out Them ALL
| Quote: | Activist and SiriusXM host Michelangelo Signorile says that it's time that the gay community stops cloaking anti-gay politicians that are known to us to be gay themselves. Writing for the Advocate, Signorile uses the recent example of California state Sen. Roy Ashburn, who was outed by West Sacramento's openly gay mayor on Facebook, although few took notice.
| Quote: | | West Sacramento’s Mayor Cabaldon notes that unnamed gay and lesbian lobbyists and other prominent LGBT people knew Ashburn was gay and protected him. He told me that several of these individuals angrily complained to him after his Facebook update and after he criticized Ashburn in the media following the state senator’s arrest. Those who protected Ashburn were selling out the community. In that sense, they’re just as guilty as Ashburn. Every gay person who knows the truth about closeted antigay politicans has a responsibility to speak up, as Mike Rogers does so fearlessly. This is no longer an issue that is debatable. No one’s privacy deserves respect when that person is working against our rights, and none of us should be complicit in keeping the secrets of these detestable individuals. The message has to be sent loud and clear: You are either with us or you are against us. |
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Coming out of the Haredi closet. They insist on continuing to pursue a religious way of life despite the many difficulties and they are ready to go public with their secret. Ha'aretz reports on a film about Orthodox Jewish homosexuals.
| Quote: | ... The screening of the film in the Brooklyn house was one of the peak moments so far in the process of the film's exposure to the Orthodox community. The director, Sandi Dubowski, who is Jewish and homosexual and drew closer to Orthodox Jewry in conjunction with coming out of the closet, wants the film to become the vehicle that will bring about a change in the attitude of the Orthodox community toward the phenomenon of homosexuality. So he is devoting a great deal of energy not only to promoting the film for commercial showings, but in an effort to get Orthodox audiences to view it.
In New York, where Dubowski lives, the film was screened at a special event for members of eight Orthodox congregations that helped sponsor it, and other congregations throughout the United States have also expressed interest in it. What gives the film its potency is the fact that it is not a liberal manifesto that attacks Orthodox conservatism. Instead, it puts across the dilemma in all its acuity, demonstrating empathy for the conservative position, too.
The film opens with an unequivocal verse from Leviticus that defines homosexuality as an abomination for which the punishment is death, and the homosexuals who appear in the film make no attempt to blur the severity of the religious proscription on their way of life. On the contrary, this is the essence of the tragic conflict with which they live. In fact, the film's "recognition" of the conservative attitude is probably what enables those who espouse that attitude to be receptive to the other approach.
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Greenberg is deeply moved when he compares the warmth with which the film was received and he himself was accepted, and the Orthodox attitude that had prevailed for so long. "Once I asked a well-known New York rabbi, who is also a physician, what he has to say to homosexuals. He suggested that they have themselves castrated. But even in the past I encountered a sensitive approach on the part of influential rabbis. I remember that I first discovered my inclination when I was 20 and studying in Israel at a hesder yeshiva [combining military service with religious studies]. Suddenly I realized that whenever I heard my roommate taking a shower, I would rush to the shower to peep at him. I was agitated and I went to Jerusalem to consult with Rabbi Yosef-Shalom Elyashiv," - considered the most important Haredi posek - decider on religious questions - today. At the time, Greenberg recalls, he thought he was equally attracted to both men and women, and he asked Rabbi Elyashiv what he had to say to him on this subject.
"He replied with one sentence that I will never forget: `My dear friend, you have a double power of love: Use it carefully.' He didn't permit me to have relations with men, of course, but he was empathetic and he was capable of seeing it as a heightened power to love." |
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LGBT Kids Coming Out Earlier
| Quote: | | Jason Osmanski knew he had to tell his mom, but he didn't know how. He was 14 years old and had spent half his life sensing he was different. Now, he had the words for it. Wanting to break the news somewhere public, someplace safe, Jason tagged along with his mom on a shopping trip to Walmart. But he still couldn't say it. He took a pad of paper from the pharmacy counter and wrote, "Will you love me no matter what?" Carolyn Osmanski gave him a quizzical look but answered, "Of course." Jason scribbled another note, crumpled it, handed it to his mom and bolted to a nearby aisle. She looked down at the wrinkled paper: "I'm gay." |
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OUTED: Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL)
| Quote: | Citing his recent vote against the repeal of DADT, noted outing blogger Mike Rogers has lowered the boom on Rep. Mark Kirk, the Illinois Republican currently running for Barack Obama's old Senate seat. Today Rogers blogs:
| Quote: | | Within hours of the DADT repeal vote I was contacted by two people who knew Kirk from his college days. "In law school in DC everyone knew Mark was gay," the first source told me. I explained that the information was intriguing, it would not be enough to go on. He continued, "But I had sex with him a number of times." Well, now we're onto something I thought. "Could someone verify for me that you knew Kirk and went to school with him?" I asked. "Yes" was the swift reply. "Could you recall personal details about Kirk that others may not know?" "Yes," he said. And he did. The next source claimed to have gone to undergraduate school with Kirk. I asked for proof that he and Kirk were in school together and once that was shared with me, I met with the source. The source introduced me to a man whom had also been friends with Kirk college. They both shared with me their interactions with Kirk, including one sexual in nature. The source who claimed to have sex with Kirk described personal details about the House, um, er, "member." The description was the same as the first source. |
Rogers goes on to recount having met Kirk personally at a 2004 party largely attended by gay men. It should be noted that Kirk has one of the more positive records on LGBT rights and recently earned an 88% score from the Human Rights Campaign. Last June he signed on as a House co-sponsor of ENDA.
Rogers has a 100% track record when it comes to these outings and played a large part in last year's feature documentary, Outrage.
RELATED: In late December, wingnut GOP Senate candidate Andy Martin also accused Kirk of being gay, but in a typically nasty fashion. Joining Martin's ugly campaign to out Kirk was arch-homophobe Peter LaBarbera.
UPDATE: Kirk had been claiming that he was the Navy's Intelligence Officer of the Year for 1998. Last week the Washington Post revealed that was untrue and that a similar award had in fact been given to Kirk's entire unit. Kirk then said it was a mistake on the part of his biographer, but the below 2002 video shows him claiming such at a congressional hearing. Kirk's Democratic opponent, Alexi Giannoulias, has leapt upon the issue, accusing Kirk of "lying or embellishing his military record." |
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Ah, Joan, why dontcha just shut up, for once? Joan Rivers advises gay stars to stay in the closet.
| Quote: | Funny woman Joan Rivers has one piece of advise for gay stars: “Stay in the closet.” She suggests that gay singers should stay in the closet. She says that revealing their sexual identity to the public might hamper and cause damage to their career.
The star said that upcoming artists, “should not even think about revealing their sexual learnings, as it could have a drastic effect on their career.” Rivers said that if a star feels they must reveal their homosexual lifestyle they should at least wait until they have established their career. She stated that the public would hardly be bothered then by their sexuality.
Rivers explained that Ricky Martin was “so smart.” She said that “Martin made his millions of dollars, did what he did, and then he said, ‘Guess what, everybody? I’m gay.’ It didn’t matter anymore because he didn’t have to bring in 16 year old girls.”
Rivers believes that rising stars who are aiming to become romantic idols are trying to get the teenage girls to love them. She said that “you’d be an a– to come out and say you’re gay.” Rivers has been around the world of show business longer than most other stars. She may know what she is talking about. |
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career advice from Joan Rivers??
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well thwap, think of it this way, at least while she is busy doling out career advice, she isn't doing cosmetic surgery consultations....
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Not sure, she kind of strikes me as a one-trick pony, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt.
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As if we didn't know already --
Bush Campaign Chief and Former Republican National Committee Chair, Ken Mehlman: I'm Gay
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/bush-campaign-c...
| Quote: | | Mehlman is the most powerful Republican in history to identify as gay. |
OK go join GOProud.
Mehlman shows no remorse about being RNC chairman during the party's most homophobic period (no doubt Karl Rove's initiative). His only regret is not reaching out to the gay community while he was in politics. Now he want to reach out and help us become Republicans.
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Weir comes out in new book, says he loves his life
http://www.365gay.com/news/weir-comes-out-in-new-book-says-he-loves...
| Quote: | Never a fan of labels, Johnny Weir is giving himself one: He’s gay.
The figure skater comes out in his new book, “Welcome to My World,” but said in an excerpt published in the Jan. 17 issue of People magazine that being gay “is the smallest part of what makes me me.” |
Cross posted on the gay athletes thread.
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Apparently not really news.
'New Kid' Jonathan Knight Officially Comes Out
http://www.popeater.com/2011/01/30/jonathan-knight-officially-comes...
| Quote: | Jonathan Knight was world-famous in the '80s as one of the New Kids on the Block. And he was gay. He just never told his public, until now.
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He continued, "I have lived my life very openly and have never hidden the fact that I am gay! Apparently the pre requisite to being a gay public figure is to appear on the cover of a magazine with the caption 'I am gay.' I apologize for not doing so if this is what was expected! My belief is that you live your life by example, and not by a caption on a magazine! If there ever has been any confusion about my sexuality, then you are someone that doesn't even know me!" |
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On Eve of Redefining Malcolm X, Biographer Dies
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/books/malcolm-x-biographer-dies-o...
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On the more sensational side, we have the following:
Gandhi 'left his wife to live with a male lover' new book claims
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370554/Gandhi-left-wife-li...
| Quote: | Mahatma Gandhi was bisexual and left his wife to live with a German-Jewish bodybuilder, a controversial biography has claimed.
The pair lived together for two years in a house Kallenbach built in South Africa and pledged to give one another ‘more love, and yet more love . . . such love as they hope the world has not yet seen.’
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At one point he wrote to the German: ‘Your portrait (the only one) stands on my mantelpiece in my bedroom. The mantelpiece is opposite to the bed.’
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“How completely you have taken possession of my body,” reads one widely quoted letter from Gandhi to Kallenbach. “This is slavery with a vengeance.” |
It's the Daily Mail, but India takes it seriously:
India state bans book hinting Gandhi had gay lover
http://www.365gay.com/news/india-state-bans-book-hinting-gandhi-had...
| Quote: | A state in western India banned Pulitzer-Prize winner Joseph Lelyveld’s new book about Mahatma Gandhi on Wednesday after reviews saying it hints that the father of India’s independence had a homosexual relationship. The author says his work is being misinterpreted.
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“The book does not say that Gandhi was bisexual or homosexual,” Lelyveld wrote in an email. “It says that he was celibate and deeply attached to Kallenbach. This is not news.”
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Malcolm X was on the down low with a white dude?
Sorry to the biographer, but you don't get to drop a bomb like that and then go die. We need answers.
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That rumble I just felt was surely Heph spinning in his grave.
Professor Marable's demise no doubt makes the marketing of his new book problematic.
Bruce Perry wrote Malcolm: The Life of the Man Who Changed Black America in 1991, though. If memory serves (and it does) there was more than a bit of a kerfluffle about it.
Mr. Perry's work suffers from more than a few glaring errors of fact which have reasonably led some reviewers to postulate the existence of similarly glaring errors of interpretation. I trust that this forthcoming book currently lacks that impediment, what with it not really being offered for sale just yet and all. I also trust that the usual kerfluffle will re-erupt. That shall be entertaining.
I must gently submit, however, that twenty year-old revelations do not qualify as 'bombs.' |
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so did he sleep with a white dude or not? have you known for 20 years already or ... what? the author is unreliable? reliable? i'm confeeyewwzed!
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It's the Daily Mail, but India takes it seriously:
[b]India state bans book hinting Gandhi had gay lover
http://www.365gay.com/news/india-state-bans-book-hinting-gandhi-had...
| Quote: | A state in western India banned Pulitzer-Prize winner Joseph Lelyveld’s new book about Mahatma Gandhi on Wednesday after reviews saying it hints that the father of India’s independence had a homosexual relationship. The author says his work is being misinterpreted.
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“The book does not say that Gandhi was bisexual or homosexual,” Lelyveld wrote in an email. “It says that he was celibate and deeply attached to Kallenbach. This is not news.”
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I read the excerpts in question (regarding Gandhi's relationships and hangups regarding both male and female sexuality) this past weekend and there is nothing in it not known at least since the eighties when I first heard of them. That Gandhi was repulsed by the physical act of sex (gay or straight) was no secret. Also not new is the fact that Gandhi was homophobic and slept with his underage nieces to overcome his sexual urges.
What I do find interesting OTOH are the two players - one in the West, one in India - that have sensationalized this story. The right-wing (outright fascist for a period in between the wars) Daily Mail was extremely opposed to the Indian Independence Movement in general and to Gandhi in particular, often labeling him a "traitor to the Empire". The Indians screaming the loudest are the ruling right-wing BJP and its paramilitary wing, the RSS in the state of Gujarat, led by Narendra Modi, a man who has opposed every single one of Gandhi's social and economic policies, especially regarding co-existence between Hindus and Muslims and aid to the poor (both of which are IMO Gandhi's more positive contributions compared to his fucked up ideas about human sexuality). Even more rich is the fact that the group of right-wing assassins who killed Gandhi were affiliated with the same RSS which now wants to ban the book to protect his "image".
ETA: from pogovio's 365gay.com link I see that PEN India also shares my suspicion that the assclowns agitating to ban the book haven't read any or part of it:
| Quote: | Ranjit Hoskote, a writer and general secretary of PEN India, which fights for free expression, condemned the ban and said local media had misconstrued both Lelyveld’s intentions and the nature of Gandhi’s relationship with Kallenbach.
“You can’t cite a worse example of third hand reportage and comment,” he said. “How can you ban a book you haven’t read?”
He said Gandhi’s correspondence with Kallenbach has been available in library archives for decades. “There’s no secret. There is no scandal,” he said.
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| Quote: | | I must gently submit, however, that twenty year-old revelations do not qualify as 'bombs.' |
I think that to a lot of guys wearing "Malcolm" t-shirts, the idea of him not just having gay sex, but gay sex with a white guy, might be a bit of a bomb. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the classical stages of grief: denial, anger, etc.
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CNN's 10 pm anchor. Weekends! Don Lemon.
| Bill Carter, in The New York Times, wrote: | Even beyond whatever effect his revelation might have on his television career, Mr. Lemon said he recognized this step carried special risk for him as a black man.
“It’s quite different for an African-American male,” he said. “It’s about the worst thing you can be in black culture. You’re taught you have to be a man; you have to be masculine. In the black community they think you can pray the gay away.” He said he believed the negative reaction to male homosexuality had to do with the history of discrimination that still affects many black Americans, as well as the attitudes of some black women.
“You’re afraid that black women will say the same things they do about how black men should be dating black women.” He added, “I guess this makes me a double minority now.”
So why do it? It really came down to the act of writing the book. Mr. Lemon said he had been on a panel a couple of years ago called “The Black Man in the Age of Obama,” and was approached afterward by a publisher’s representative about writing an inspirational book.
“It was supposed to be a little pamphlet,” he said. “You know: say your prayers; have a good, hearty handshake; say good morning to your boss.”
But as he began to write, he came to realize that he could not hold back the truth of who he was. He started to pour out the details of his personal life. How he had grown up not knowing his father, how he had suffered abuse by someone close to him.
When he informed the publisher of his new tack, the initial reaction was caution. But when the editors saw the material, they embraced it. It was left to Mr. Lemon to experience a bout of nerves and suggest at one point that the most personal material be taken out.
“But as I started to read it back, I said, no, leave it,” Mr. Lemon said. “I abhor hypocrisy. I think if you’re going to be in the business of news, and telling people the truth, of trying to shed light in dark places, then you’ve got to be honest. You’ve got to have the same rules for yourself as you do for everyone else.” |
Gay CNN Anchor Sees Risk in Book (Bill Carter, The New York Times, May 15, 2011)
Heph knew Lemon was gay in 2009.
ETA: Lemon's book, Transparent, is dedicated to Tyler Clementi.
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Anderson Cooper has finally come out.
| Quote: | ... The CNN journalist wrote in an online letter that he had kept his sexual orientation private for personal and professional reasons, but came to think that remaining silent had given some people a mistaken impression that he was ashamed.
“The fact is, I’m gay, always have been, always will be, and I couldn’t be any more happy, comfortable with myself and proud,” he wrote in the letter, published by Andrew Sullivan of the Daily Beast.
Cooper, the 45-year-old son of socialite Gloria Vanderbilt, had long been the subject of rumours about his sexual orientation. He said that in a perfect world, it wouldn’t be anyone’s business, but that there is value in “standing up and being counted.”
“I still consider myself a reserved person and I hope this doesn’t mean an end to a small amount of personal space,” he wrote. “But I do think visibility is important, more important than preserving my reporter’s shield of privacy.” |
Here's the letter. |
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Abraham Lincoln
| Quote: | A few years ago, not long after reading C.A. Tripp’s pioneering The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln, I had lunch with Gore Vidal in LA, and taped our conversation for later use. The following exchange is revealing:
TA: Given the recent book and materials on Lincoln’s homosexuality how do you feel having portrayed him as a raving heterosexual in your novel?
GV: You’re a bastard. What a bastard question. It hurts. It hurts. How could I have missed that?
TA: You didn’t look?
GV: I had no idea, but since Tripp’s book I’ve gone back and devoured everything on the subject. There is no doubt in my mind. Once he was in bed with the Captain and the latter’s son walked in. On another occasion they were disturbed and Lincoln opened the door wearing his lover’s nightgown. Oh what a fool I was… |
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