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Senor Magoo
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If companies like Dove or Jacob were in charge of the civil rights movement we'd have full equality for all light-coffee-coloured people with straightened hair who dress and talk like the Huxtables, and the "I have a dream" speech would be replaced by $100 million worth of television commercials where these companies pat themselves on the back about it.
That said, the other end of this equation gets little notice. If women really are sick and tired of seeing stick-thin models selling clothes, why do they keep buying the clothes? Is owning Ralph Lauren really, really necessary? Why?
Hint: if someone advertises something and you go out and buy it, they think that ad is effective and they want to make more ads just like it.
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F.
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| Magoo, I 'm not going to sell you on the notion that vulnerable young women are held hostage emotionally by an overwhelming pressure to conform via capitalist expressions of self, am I? |
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bshmr
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| F. wrote: | | Magoo, I 'm not going to sell you on the notion that vulnerable young women are held hostage emotionally by an overwhelming pressure to conform via capitalist expressions of self, am I? |
Not as long as someone has a chance (read fantasy) of all/most women being naked, barefoot, ... , and chained in some manner. |
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Senor Magoo
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| Quote: | | Magoo, I 'm not going to sell you on the notion that vulnerable young women are held hostage emotionally by an overwhelming pressure to conform via capitalist expressions of self, am I? |
Depends on whether your sales pitch includes some kind of explanation for how it is that so many women (and men) are totally aware of the airbrushing and other alterations that go on in advertising, strongly disapprove of this, but go ahead and buy those falsely advertised products anyway.
It's not the "young" buyers who are unaware of this that interest me. It's those who aren't unaware of this. My provisional guess is that they're a bit like people who definitely want chain restaurants like KFC to use humanely raised chickens... but aren't going to stop eating there if they don't.
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Rufus Polson
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| Hrm. Afraid I'm not much help on that front, as I definitely want KFC to use humanely raised chickens, but I wouldn't eat there even if they did. There are definite problems with regulating marketplaces purely by consumer movements. |
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Raos
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| Senor Magoo wrote: |
It's not the "young" buyers who are unaware of this that interest me. It's those who aren't unaware of this. My provisional guess is that they're a bit like people who definitely want chain restaurants like KFC to use humanely raised chickens... but aren't going to stop eating there if they don't. |
That sounds rather a little like wet-dream capitalism to me, where the only power afforded to regular people is the buy/not buy binary. That sort of concept tends to work in the abstract assuming infinite variability of consumer choice, but in reality where consumers don't have the option to switch to 'essentially the exact same thing as KFC but using humanely raised chickens' it's not as straightforward a situation. Much as 'any complaint about your job is irrelevant unless you're willing to quit over it' isn't really a recipe to improve working conditions much of anywhere. |
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TS.
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| Raos wrote: | | Senor Magoo wrote: |
It's not the "young" buyers who are unaware of this that interest me. It's those who aren't unaware of this. My provisional guess is that they're a bit like people who definitely want chain restaurants like KFC to use humanely raised chickens... but aren't going to stop eating there if they don't. |
That sounds rather a little like wet-dream capitalism to me, where the only power afforded to regular people is the buy/not buy binary. That sort of concept tends to work in the abstract assuming infinite variability of consumer choice, but in reality where consumers don't have the option to switch to 'essentially the exact same thing as KFC but using humanely raised chickens' it's not as straightforward a situation. Much as 'any complaint about your job is irrelevant unless you're willing to quit over it' isn't really a recipe to improve working conditions much of anywhere. |
Well put. And this is why unbridled capitalism doesn't work.
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