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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:25 am Post subject:
ronb wrote:
Hi Anne! Welcome back!
Lurking behind Mulclair's scepticism is, for me, the million dollar question: why didn't they taser him and bring him back to the US to face charges?
Because bin Laden dead and dumped in the ocean is a lot easier to manage than a bin Laden in super-max and who will be the focus of endless plots for some kind of rescue. _________________ "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:58 am Post subject:
I think the fear is rather that there will be more attacks, hostage-taking, and so forth aimed at putting pressure on the United States to release him. Not that I think this is a good reason, but it's not fear of him breaking out (or someone breaking him out) directly.
ETA: The National and Le Téléjournal both covered this tonight, but only on The National was it part of a sneering hit piece on the NDP's new Québec MPs. The full-on media assault to block an NDP government has begun, folks.
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:26 am Post subject:
you know, i think a better way to avoid Islamic terrorist attacks would be to cut-off their funding.
Like, Saudi Arabia's.
Or, ... [crazy thought here] ... the direct money funnel to Pakistan.
That is, .. i would think that if i thought that the US gov't "War on Terra" was something other than a blatant lie. _________________ Man! I hate them fancy-lads!
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject:
ronb wrote:
Hi Anne! Welcome back!
Lurking behind Mulclair's scepticism is, for me, the million dollar question: why didn't they taser him and bring him back to the US to face charges?
'Cause if they did, the Republicans would have called Obama a wimp.
I doubt what was done with bin Laden had much to do with the kind of operational considerations cco and TS are describing. It was more political. Fact is, the rule of law just isn't very popular in the US nowadays, especially when it comes to big time enemies. And the trial and execution of Saddam Hussein, to them, would just indicate that taking big enemies to trial gives them a chance to look good to the Arab audience. After Saddam went bravely to his death, the Americans must have been regretting that they didn't just shoot him the moment he surfaced, when he still looked like an addled cretin.
So this time around, none of that sissy "prison" or "trial" or "communicating with a lawyer" stuff. Get it over with quickly, the American people will celebrate, bin Laden won't have a chance to make speeches, and the President will look tough. That's what I figure they were thinking.
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject:
Bin Laden has said in the past he had nothing to do with 9/11..put him on trial and right away the "conspiracy theory" about the pancaking towers gains traction...
AND in the time since 9/11 the civil liberties in the Excited States have taken some real shit-kickings... they have moved almost inexorably toward a state which increasingly resembles Germany just prior to Kristalnacht...I mean, really, a whistle blower kept naked in a tiny cell for months on end until he's almost a drooling idiot? The law of habeas corpus has been turned into a corpse, eavesdropping is everywhere and the mood of the people, especially those with a right-wing bent has become quite snarly, even vicious... put bin Laden on trial and there might be street riot repurcussions..
I watched an Oprah show yesterday dealing with the Freedom Riders and the 50-th year anniversary of that stunning and courageous move against racial inequality. Oprah kept saying how it made people proud to be American, proud to live in America and I almost wept because that kind of moral pride just isn't anywhere that I can see. I see a very frightened and reactionary nation that holds block parties when an unarmed man is shot twice in the head...a nation which has had to accept the huge bail-outs of the banks and financial institutions which caused the gutting of the treasury in the first place, a nation with a growing war debt and a suicide rate among its troops which is higher than the casualty rate..and it's going to take more than Oprah's boosterism to restore the kind of moral courage that saw those young people write their last will and testament before getting on the busses and riding into history.
Anyway, that wasn't bin Laden they shot, the guy died years ago of kidney disease. Hey, that's my story and I'll stick to it!!
We wait to see what's going to happen when the spotlight goes on over the centre ring in this big multi-ring circus. Come one come all get your popcorn, settle down to wait, see the geek eat a raw chicken, come see the bearded fat lady...get your cotton candy and bring the kiddees...Obama's travelling rock'n'roll road show has come to town, there's an election in the offing...tickets everywhere...
Thomas Mulcair is being slammed by the Cons and Libs but the Pakistani Army is raising very similar questions:
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No resistance in ‘cold-blooded’ US raid: Pakistan officials
ABBOTTABAD: Osama bin Laden and his comrades offered no resistance when killed by US special forces in a Pakistani town, Pakistani security officials said on Thursday.
US accounts of what happened have changed throughout the week, and initial characterisations of a 40-minute gun battle have given way to officials being quoted as saying only one of the five people who were killed had been armed.
The White House has cited the “fog of war” as a reason for initial misinformation on whether bin Laden – who was shot in the head – was armed when US Navy SEALs raided his compound in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad early on Monday.
Two senior Pakistani security officials, citing their investigation, said there was no firefight because the inhabitants never fired back.
“The people inside the house were unarmed. There was no resistance,” one of the officials said.
“It was cold-blooded,” said the second official when asked if there was any exchange of fire during the operation which, US officials said lasted nearly 40 minutes.
While I can certainly understand their anger I take Kayani's threat to cut all military ties (including presumably refusing the BILLIONS in military aid...um I don't think so) with a grain of salt:
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Pak army threatens to cut ties with US
Pakistan's army, in its first comment since Monday's raid that killed Osama bin Laden, threatened to halt cooperation with its military sponsor if it repeated what it called a violation of sovereignty.
Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Kayani, issued a statement saying any new US raids would mean a possible end to cooperation with the Pentagon on security and intelligence.
"Any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States," the army said.
And in a further sign of fractious relations between the allies, senior Pakistani security officials told Reuters that US accounts had been misleading in describing a long gun battle at the compound in Abbottabad where bin Laden and four others were killed by an elite squad of US Navy SEALs.
My guess is Kayani's threat was more aimed at placating domestic anger. The Pakistani military and political elite is not going to stop the US military gravy train any more than their Israeli or Egyptian counterparts are going to refuse similar large amounts of bribes foreign aid. _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford
There is one group of people here that I will feel bad for if the story about shooting OBL while he was unarmed and not offering resistance turns out to be true: Hollywood screenwriters. I mean, think about it….what a great movie it could have been if only the original US story of Sunday had been true.
Ah what a great cast they could have lined up too for the typically Hollywood style Commando group (written to incorporate all the major US ethnic groups): the gruff (but handsome) white Southern team leader (maybe Brad Pitt reprising his “Inglorious Basterds” role). His handsome, wisecracking second in command, black but not too threatening to white audiences and film execs (can anyone say “Will Smith”?). The good looking Italian American from "the wrong side of the tracks" part of Brooklyn (complete with NY accent), a few well scrubbed Mid-Western white farmboys who love God, America and apple pie, the first generation Mexican American out to prove his loyalty to his adopted country…..
And facing them, a booby trapped compound full of heavily armed bearded Arabs, Afghanis and Pakistanis. A fight to the death ensues, OBL himself directs the seemingly endless Islamist defenders, who seem too numerous to overcome. In the end good old Yank grit, determination and ingenuity win over blind fanaticism and hatred.
What a waste of a great script. It now appears the US shot an unarmed 52 year old frail diabetic in the head in front of his 12 year old daughter. Now that’s a shitty movie. Ah the lost possibilities, the lost Oscars.....
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject:
They'll stick to the shooting the 52-year old in front of the kid, and portray it as some dark, noirish, "24" stuff. _________________ Man! I hate them fancy-lads!
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 3079 Location: tahsis, british columbia
Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject:
Good one, Thwap...and it leaves room for a sequel...the 12 year old , traumatised, for years refuses to speak a word, is almost catatonic...but the Excited States has her kindly cared for in a beautiful modern psych facility...which is, really, nothing of the sort, but a CIA training place...and the 12 year old grows up to be a killer, sort of like La Femme Nikita... but she escapes... and sets about avenging the murder of her father... even manages to break into the secret compound where her mother, limping heavily because of the bullet wound she received which wrecked her leg, gives her the secret she's been hoarding all these years but refuses to go with her because she'd slow her down and be too easily identified because of the limp...and the kid leaves, goes to the secret place, endless money, bags of jewels, evil father's hidden stache...and a link to the sleeping terrorist cell who have been patiently waiting (because those people will wait however long it takes for revenge , we know that's true, we've been told often enough), and...off we go...a bridge here, a subway station there...."Daddys Little Girl" is taking over!
where oh where are those trained elite troops who got daddy
why they're in the Old Soldiers Retirement Home drooling on their bibs....
ET, you're missing a femme fetal in your film synopsis. The hero needs an object of desire that motivates him to take on this most noble and dangerous feat.
Some more thinking along Anne's points from the folks at Counterpunch.
...Judge for yourself. Does this sound like the raving of some mad man with an ego the size of Mount Everest? He sounds quite composed, actually, and far more lucid, perceptive and concise than all American politicians and most intellectuals. In any case, this interview was the last substantial utterance from Bin Laden. After this, he more or less disappeared.
Though neither seen nor heard, he was often evoked to justify the crimes America was committing against others, and even her own citizens. Bin Laden vindicated whatever our leaders chose to do. But ten years is a long time, however, to throw this shadow against our walls. This bearded man had become a bit of a joke, frankly. On a cartoon show, the folks of South Park Colorado, even asked Bin Laden to help them kill an invading horde from New Jersey.
This week, our government decided, finally, to kill off the Bin Laden apparition. Since the United States had supposedly been after him since 1998, you would think they’d hang on to their man a bit longer after they got him, if they got him, but within hours of finding her public enemy number one, America got rid of Bin Laden!
Less than six hours after news came that he had been killed, it was announced that Bin Laden had already been buried at sea. The official explanation: The US must respect the Islamic tradition that a corpse be buried within 24 hours, and since no country was willing to be his final host, not even Saudi Arabia, his homeland, Bin Laden had to be dumped where he could never be exhumed. How convenient. Case closed!
Such respect for a Muslim corpse from a country that seems to be fighting Muslims everywhere, that kills, imprisons and tortures Muslims, whose soldiers draped panties and smeared shit on Muslim heads, raped Muslim women and collected Muslim ears as trophies. America hasn’t exactly been shy about abusing Muslims, dead or alive, so why this sudden delicacy? Remember also that Uday and Qusay Hussein were killed by American troops on July 22, 2003, then buried on August 2, 11 days later.
Hey, if you can’t show me something, maybe you don’t have it, especially since you are a chronic liar and in the cloak and dagger business...
What does the assassination of Osama Bin Laden have in common with Guantanamo Bay?
They're both intended to send a message that the United States has sunk deeper into savagery and abandoned any commitment to conventional norms of behavior. That's the message, and we hear it "loud and clear".
We don't need our Harvard-educated president to crow about his latest gangland "hit" to know that America has turned into a moral swamp. That's obvious in every area of policy, foreign and domestic. It's just that certain incidents draw more attention than others, like when a drone incinerates a home full of women and children in the Pakistani outback or when F-16s reduce a city of 300,000 (Falluja) to rubble leaving behind a legacy of birth defects, cancer and grinding poverty. These are the real "headline grabbers", like shrugging off the sovereign rights of an ally, invading their airspace, and deploying special ops to conduct a Rambo-style massacre in a civilian section of town.
Booyah. You go America! U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A...
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 5:12 am Post subject:
I think one reason the US doesn't seem to worry about these issues around things like due process and the rule of law is that they don't really have that stuff at home.
Consider: The US has way more people in jail than anybody else. I mean, China is a brutal dictatorial regime with three times as many people as the US has, and the US *still* manages to have more people in jail. But that's just the tip of the problem.
Most of those people in US jails never saw a real trial. The majority agreed to a plea bargain (whether they were guilty or not). They agreed to a plea bargain because they were successfully convinced they had no chance of being found not guilty. They were successfully convinced because it was probably true--apparently the conviction rate in the US is 97%.
Yeah, that's right--if they charge you with a crime in the US, there's a 97% chance they'll find you guilty (admittedly, usually due to a plea bargain). And many were successfully convinced to accept a plea bargain because there was evidence against them scheduled to be delivered by a snitch who had been paid to lie about them in court. Use of more or less professional snitches, who are put in with a prisoner being held before trial and who then say whatever they're asked to say about things the prisoner supposedly admitted to them, has become a common aspect of the US criminal "justice" system.
Overall, it's not a big surprise if a lot of Americans just don't see what the big deal is, what would be so valuable about having a trial, what would be so much more "just" about involving legal processes.
That is so good. So good. _________________ "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject:
There are 492 comments?!
. . . Actually, a lot of them are pretty good too. I like the one that calls the "Galactic Empire Times" a "liberal rag" for referring to the Defense Star as a "Death Star".
Could the operation against OBL have triggered nuclear war had something gone wrong?:
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PERHAPS the least discussed and also the most worrying dimension of the Obama raid on Osama`s hideout was the potential it had to trigger a nuclear incident between India and Pakistan.
That the US Navy SEALs commandos could carry out the secret operation with relative ease may give Hollywood a theme to regurgitate for the next 10 years.
But it offers cold comfort to the un-discussed pervasive fear that the commandos did clearly risk setting off a devastating misunderstanding, to put it mildly, between South Asia`s two gung-ho nuclear adversaries. Moscow and Washington have scrambled for a nuclear fight over milder provocations.
And now we are given to understand that President Obama had in fact taken into account the possibility of an interdiction by Pakistani security. There could be a firefight. There would be casualties. Incognito? This possibility too was provisioned for, it seems. What if the Pakistanis had mistaken the raid for an Indian attack is a possibility not yet discussed by the White House.
The same piece also makes a good point about why there are so many conspiracy theories regarding not just this story but also about many other incidents in recent US history. While some of them are patently ridiculous and over the top ("Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya", "Hillary Clinton is a lesbian communist who murdered Vince Foster"), conspiracies exist because of the various lies, coverups and scheming by all US Administrations past and present (not to mention that some of the stories initially dismissed as "conspiracy theories" actually turned out to be true):
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Given the credibility deficit that American administrations have accumulated over a large swathe of their history, there is reason to speculate over another sinister possibility. It concerns the net worth of the much-advertised Navy SEALs against the state`s compulsions to appease the American people with blood and gore abroad, particularly when their president is saddled with poor popularity grades.
Didn`t the cavalier former vice president Dick Cheney mull the idea of deploying the same Navy SEALs to stage a false flag attack against Iran in what would be a suicide mission for the commandos?
Journalist Seymour Hersh did share details of a plan that was at least cursorily considered by Mr Cheney on how to provoke a war with Iran. “There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war,” Mr Hersh said in reference to the discussion at a meeting held at Mr Cheney`s office.
“The one that interested me the most was why don`t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy SEALs on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Strait of Hormuz, start a shoot-up,” he revealed.
“Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can`t have Americans killing Americans. That`s the kind of — that`s the level of stuff we`re talking about. Provocation.”
The false flag idea was pondered because of a roaring reception a tense standoff between some Iranian speedboats and a US warship had generated in the Persian Gulf.
There were other cynical suggestions too. In one of his memos, former British envoy to Washington David Manning described a prewar meeting between George Bush and Tony Blair. President Bush admitted that weapons of mass destruction were unlikely to be found in Iraq and then mused about some possible options for justifying a war anyway.
“The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours,” the memo says, attributing the idea to Mr Bush. “If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach.”
Given the degree of plain perfidy involved in these nightmarish calculations, it would be fair to ask what was the backup plan had one or several of the SEALs commandos been caught by Pakistani forces. Would they be found disguised as Iranians perhaps in the fashion that Mr Cheney`s team considered? What then?
In his unique insights that Prof Noam Chomsky has shared over the Osama affair, the Americans seem to have killed a man they could have secured alive from the Taliban, who had only asked them to provide evidence that the Al Qaeda leader was involved in the 9/11 attacks.
That evidence, I was startled to know, remains still unshared. This has spawned cynicism.
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In a perfect world (yes, I would like to reside there someday, or at least next door to it, in Slightly Imperfect World), I would like the evildoers to be forced to stand trial in front of that world. I know a lot of people see no need for a trial for these bad guys (just hang 'em from the nearest tree!), and think trials are for sissies. "They're guilty, off with their heads!" Well, you see, that is the exact description of the Taliban/al Qaeda/Nazi justice system. I don't like their system. I like ours. And I don't want to be like them. In fact, the reason I like a good trial is that I like to show these bastards this is how it's done in a free country that believes in civilized justice. It's good for the rest of the world to see that, too. Sets a good example.
The other thing a trial does is, it establishes a very public and permanent historic record of the crimes against humanity. This is why we put the Nazis on trial in Nuremberg. We didn't do it for them. We did it for ourselves and for our grandchildren so that they would never forget these horrors and how they were committed. And we did it for the German people so they could see the evidence of what their elected leaders had done. Very helpful. Very necessary. Very powerful.
And for those who wanted blood back then – well, the majority of the Nazis all hanged in the end. So, it doesn't mean the bad guys get away – they still swing from the highest tree.
The president's speech last night could have aimed to put an end to the triumphalism of the "global war on terror" that George W. Bush began and Barack Obama claimed as his own. It could have announced a new U.S. foreign policy based on justice, equality, and respect for other nations. But it did not. It declared instead that the U.S. war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and beyond will continue.
In that reaffirmation of war, President Obama reasserted the American exceptionalism that has been a hallmark of his recent speeches, claiming that "America can do whatever we set our mind to." He equated the U.S. ability and willingness to continue waging ferocious wars, with earlier accomplishments of the U.S. - including, without any trace of irony, the "struggle for equality for all our citizens." In President Obama's iteration, the Global War on Terror apparently equals the anti-slavery and civil rights movements.
Today, the Arab Spring is on the rise across the Middle East and North Africa. It's ineffably sad that President Obama, in his claim that bin Laden's death means justice, didn't use the opportunity to announce the end of the deadly U.S. wars that answered the attacks of 9/11. This could have been a moment to replace vengeance with cooperation, replace war with justice.
But it was not. Regardless of bin Laden's death, as long as those deadly U.S. wars continue in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and beyond, justice has not been done.
_________________ This is pre-eminently the time, to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Not sure if I should have started a different thread, but since the current deterioration in US-Pak relations dates to OBL being found just outside the capital, I figure it fits here. The US has reportedly suspended the military portion of their aid to Pakistan:
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WASHINGTON: The United States is holding back some military aid to Pakistan, President Barack Obama’s chief of staff confirmed Sunday, after a New York Times report said $800 million was being withheld.
“They’ve taken some steps that have given us reason to pause on some of the aid which we’re giving to the military, and we’re trying to work through that,” William Daley told ABC’s “This Week with Christiane Amanpour.”
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had warned last month that the United States could slow down US military aid to Pakistan unless it took unspecified steps to help the United States.
There has been increasing pressure in Washington on the Obama administration Washington, which provided $2.7 billion in security assistance last year to Islamabad, to hold back on aid.
Growing concerns over collusion with militant groups since it emerged in early May that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was hiding out in a garrison city near Islamabad has been compounded by recent accusations that Pakistan’s intelligence services approved a journalist’s killing.
According to The New York Times, about $800 million in military aid and equipment, or over one-third of the more than $2 billion in annual US security assistance to Pakistan, could be affected by the suspension.
Asked by ABC about the report, Daley did not dispute the figures and confirmed that some military aid was now being withheld.
“The truth of the matter is, our relationship with Pakistan is very complicated,” he said.
Well they have already been bombing those villages bordering Afghanistan... might as well go whole hog and escalate their military interventions till they get regime change. _________________ “If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a tractor.”
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject:
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A NATO helicopter has crashed in eastern Afghanistan during a battle with the Taliban, killing at least 31 US and seven Afghan soldiers, a statement from the Afghan president's office said.
The statement on Saturday said a troop-carrying Chinook helicopter had crashed in Syedabad in central Maidan Wardak province, west of capital Kabul, and identified the Americans as special forces troops.
The Associated Press news agency reported that more than 20 Navy SEALs from the unit that killed Osama bin Laden were among those lost in the crash.
The New Yorker has published a story planted on Nicholas Schmidle by unidentified sources who claim to be familiar with the alleged operation that murdered Osama bin Laden.
There is no useful information in the story. Its purpose seems simply to explain away or cover up holes in the original story, principally why did the Seals murder an unarmed, unresisting Osama bin Laden whose capture would have resulted in a goldmine of terrorist information and whose show trial would have rescued the government’s crumbling 9/11 story?...
Americans, and Canadians and Brits endure constant reminders that they must live in fear of obscure threats from terrorists frequenting oil-rich and other geostrategic locations around the world. War is peace. Ignorance is strength.
_________________ Democracy should more appropriately be referred to as Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. - George Washington
The real truth may never be known. Even if it somehow turns out that the US government version was the absolute truth, even their most ardent defenders have to admit that this is a story tailor made for future conspiracy theories. No trial, no body ever produced, no post mortem, shooting an unarmed man in front of his youngest daughter in a house just outside the capital of a country that has been a major US client and aid recipient since the Eisenhower Administration. You don't have to be a paranoid kook like Alex Jones to think something smells really fishy here _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:00 am Post subject:
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And then the guys who supposedly killed him all end up dead?
We've now got a murder with no body and no killers. What's next? The weapons that killed bin Laden are melted down and sold for scrap.
The news report doesn't say if those specific SEALs killed bin Laden, just that they were in the same unit. It isn't inconceivable that the Taliban set up that unit for a reprisal attack. _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl
And then the guys who supposedly killed him all end up dead?
We've now got a murder with no body and no killers. What's next? The weapons that killed bin Laden are melted down and sold for scrap.
The house burns to the ground.
The whole city is razed to the ground.
And the president wouldn't even show us his birth certificate.
Yeah the part about the alleged hit-team of assassins heroic US Seals and Afghani Special Forces themselves being killed hasn't really sunk in yet. This seems almost like a bad, cliched "X-Files" or "Millennium" episode from 10 years ago. It's just not believable. Could it (the official version) be true? Of course it can....but so can the conspiracy theorists. That's the problem when you have no body, no trial, a quick burial sea and the alleged strike team is itself killed a few months later (hmmm kinda like Oswald being shot by Jack Ruby). It could all be a coincidence and the US might be telling the truth but still.......holy shit, is this a gold mine for conspiracy theorists or what? _________________ I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day. - Assclown Rob Ford
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:36 am Post subject:
It could be, but then conspiracy fetishists were saying bin Laden's assassination was all a big CIA cover-up already anyway.
Why not give the Afghans credit, though? In the Vietnam war, to give but one example, US units who left death cards on their victims were specifically attacked by Viet Cong and NVA; why couldn't the Afghans specifically target the notorious media "heroes" who killed bin Laden? _________________ "The purpose of government is to protect the weak from the powerful" Hammurabi
"We can't all be Sam the Sham; some of us have to be Pharoahs" Larry, brother of Darrel, and his other brother Daryl
To doubt the authenticity of Elvis bin Laden's death would be the equivalent of questioning the crucifixion or virgin birth. Elvis bin Laden is our earthly connection to Mars, the god of warfiteering for thousands of private military contractors, Wall Streeters, BP, Exxon-Imperial execs, banksters etc.
To question the American inquisition's version of the truth would be to blaspheme against their saviour Usama bin Laden, leader of al-CIA'duh and representing a menace to the public, like the former Soviet Union - a long-time bogeyman for con artists and Pentagon kapitalists living the good life like few mortals could ever dream of. Elvis (EbL) probably died of kidney disease a number of years ago.
However, this is a truth we can be sure of:
Elvis wasn't wanted by the FBI for orchestrating 9/11 either. Is it just wild coincidence? Some people think so.
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