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Though we all may do it, we merely SPECULATE on motivations, which are complex and subject to manipulation for the most part.
Apparently, an attention-seeking, possibly delusional, maladapted, young male atheist of secretive parents of a minority religion premeditated and attacked a female leader, who happens to be of the same minority religion and approximate generation of his parent(s), as well as others at an open-air public meeting.in a region of extreme individualism and fantasized libertarianism of a [ETA: ultra-dominating military] country of richly rewarded, haloed, rabble-rousing, self-serving, (likely) psychopathic entertainers, politicians, and executives. |
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| Senor Magoo wrote: | So the going theory is that he shot someone in the head three days ago for a slight he felt he got, four years ago? That's revenge served ice cold. One wonders about his thought processes.
"No woman treats me like that!! I'll show her!!! Not this year, and not next year, and maybe not even the year after that, but one of these years -- maybe Q1 of 2011 -- she'll be sorry she ever dissed me!" |
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| Quote: | Accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner appeared to have been long obsessed with U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
A safe at Mr. Loughner's home contained a form letter from Ms. Giffords' office thanking him for attending a 2007 "Congress on your Corner'' event in Tucson. The safe also held an envelope with handwritten notes, including the name of Ms. Giffords, as well as "I planned ahead," "My assassination,"... |
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When did Olbermann do that? |
Olbermann calls for Clinton's murder
Links to shakesville which has a clip.
| Quote: | | Meanwhile, Keith Olbermann discusses with Howard Fineman the need for a superdelegate to "take [Clinton] into a room and only he comes out." |
| Rufus Polson wrote: | | It seems unlikely--I don't know a lot about Olberman, but it doesn't seem like his style. |
Actually, there's been quite a lot of criticisms of Olbermann, in the feminist blogosphere, anyway. Most recently, about Julian Assange and #mooreandme.
About the art exhibit, if you click on the video, the voiceover says, "Petrilik says most people have fun wearing the vest and holding the gun, and most feel free to hold it many different ways." Then the artist says, "A lot of people have shot her, and I think that's sort of gross, but in the true spirit of democracy, I'm not going to tell them what to do." So while the exhibit didn't say, "Come shoot Sarah Palin", that more than a few people are coming up with the idea to shoot her, well, some might construe that as involving some sort of invitation. |
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That link still doesn't provide an exact quote. I need to see the exact quote before I make my judgment. As it is, that blogger seems to have an agenda to push in terms of promoting Clinton's campaign for the nomination.
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Well, that was Hillary's "hard working white people" moment and I think a lot of Democratic partisans would have been furious at a male politician for threatening to salt the earth against the likely winner. Tom Tomorrow excoriated Clinton after that one (but not like Olbermann just did).
But that was still eliminationist rhetoric, whether against a male or a female, and I find it dubious to think that Olbermann would have come up with an off-the-cuff statement like that about a male leader taking another male candidate into a room and destroying him in there.
So, yeah, that was sexist and inexcusable. Which just means that the whole culture has imbued this violent mentality, with the right-wingers being still, obviously, the leading candidates.
I said at Dr. Dawg's blog that the comparisons between Ann Coulter and Michael Moor bear this out. He does not shoot off at the mouth about killing people the way that idiot does. If he's the left's Ann Coulter that says something.
It's why we were right to trash Tom Flanagan's nonsense about assassinating Julian Assange and Don Cherry's imbecilic making war an amusement park holiday. That sort of garbage culture is insidiously dangerous.
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Olbermann did say that. Anyways.
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| Watched the clip. OK, yup, he said it. Ick. Interestingly, he did it even as he criticized Clinton for excessively negative, destructive campaigning (accurately, near as I can make out). So it's like he didn't even perceive the contradiction. |
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Do you have a link to the clip?
ETA: Found a HuffPo piece with the specific quote. I have no hesitation saying that what Olbermann said is absolutely reprehensible.
ETA: You can find the clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TxjplGs5YM
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Ouch. That clip was a horrid reminder of just how nasty that 2008 campaign was and how low supporters of each candidate resorted to covert and overt appeals to sexism or racism. For the record, I don't believe that either Clinton or Obama were personally racist or sexist, but their respective supporters had no trouble evoking such imagery.
The strangest thing of course is just how little actual ideological differences there were between the two in terms of foreign or domestic policy (as seen both by their platforms and also how well they work together today) but the vile language from their respective supporters (and Olberman's was one of the worst) made one think this was MLK vs. George Wallace in the 60s or Lenin and Trotsky vs. the Czar in 1917. Hmmm, the "narcissism of small differences", maybe? (Kinda like the hatred between the Martin and Chretien camps in Canada, though since both were rich white males, we were spared the sexism or racism)
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| Change wrote: | | Olbermann did say that. Anyways. |
He has apologized
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Toronto radio host intervenes to spare funeral attendees the pleasure of a Phelps visit.
| Quote: | TORONTO - Members of a radical Kansas church have cancelled plans to picket the funeral of a nine-year-old girl killed in a shooting rampage in Arizona, after being promised a live interview on a Toronto radio station.
Dean Blundell, a controversial morning show host on rock radio station 102.1 The Edge, said he brokered the deal with Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church in an effort to prevent further suffering for the victim's family.
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| Quote: | Phelps Roper said Westboro still plans to picket the funerals of other victims, but Blundell hopes to change her mind by allowing her to give a repeat performance on Thursday's program. During the broadcast, scheduled for 9 a.m., Blundell said he plans to ask her to boycott the Friday funeral of slain judge John Roll and other victims of the Arizona shooting.
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From the article:
| Quote: | Blundell concedes Phelps-Roper's appearances are usually billed as entertainment, saying her views are so outrageous that listeners can't help but laugh.
"It's like someone calling in and saying the colour blue is really the colour red," he said. "And the funny part is she really believes it." |
If those views were so outrageous, Toronto wouldn't have gay-bashing. So no, it's not like saying the colour blue is really the colour red. I guess we can add post-homophobic to claims that we live in a post-racial and post-feminist world.
Incidentally, when I was looking up what Blundell said about Beiber fans (that preceded the above quote), I came across an article that said the whole thing started when Blundell tweeted "in vulgar terms" the suggestion that Beiber was gay.
As for the radio station, they suspended Blundell when Jackass guests violated strict guidelines regarding graphic content and foul language. So dropping the f-bomb and duct-taping your penis is verboten, but spewing hate against gays is A-OK? And they're actually scheduling a slot for it?
| Quote: | | Word of the church's plans prompted Arizona legislators to rush through a law prohibiting protests within 100 metres of a funeral or burial service. |
Here's the bill. Since Phelps' crew is already barred from protesting within 300 feet, Blundell is really just sparing the funeral attendees that can't find a parking spot within 300 feet of the church, which likely excludes the family and others close to the deceased. Yeah, everyone will probably see them and hear them as they're driving past, but Phelps' ability to disrupt the service is sufficiently compromised by the bill, IMHO, and makes Blundell's overture superfluous.
And, wow, the speed with which a state can enact buffer zone laws. And the restrictiveness compared to buffer zone laws outside abortion clinics. I looked for Arizona buffer zone laws re: abortion, but only found a reference at an anti-abortion site criticizing Giffords for supporting such a law. So Arizona would be subject to the federal FACE Act:
| Quote: | What behavior does FACE not prohibit?
FACE protects protesters' First Amendment right to free speech. Clinic protesters remain free to conduct peaceful protest, including singing hymns, praying, carrying signs, walking picket lines and distributing anti-abortion materials outside of clinics.
Is shouting outside of a clinic a FACE violation?
FACE allows shouting outside of clinics, as long as no threats are made. However, noise levels many not exceed those set by state or local law. |
One of Fred's grandsons spit in the face of a passerby, but that's all I could find for specific violent acts perpetrated by the Phelps. Compare to anti-abortion violence.
There are other states that have enacted laws against protesting (even peaceful protests) at funerals. See heading Laws limiting funeral protests. There's even a federal one protecting military cemeteries from protest. Maybe while America is having a conversation about violence and rhetoric, it can examine the response to protest vs. response to actual violence. |
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Why I love Paul Jay
| Quote: | Benjamin DeMott put it well: “‘civility’ is in fact a theater of operations - the classless society’s new class war zone.”
Instead of using ‘civility’ to cover up the realities of life, how about we call for a people’s civility intended to better reveal it.
We can start by telling the truth about the society we live in. Let’s examine with honest and uncompromising inquiry, the actual conditions of life in America, without fearing the words race and class. Let those who want collective solutions try to find some common ground with those who distrust big government - which almost everyone agrees serves the top 2% more than anybody else. Let’s agree that we value individual rights and freedom and understand that can only be meaningful in a more equitable society.
How about we answer this question: how can our schools and public health care system better intervene with students when there are obvious signs of psychotic disorders? What can we do to address the cultural, political, healthcare and law enforcement issues that have lead to so many mass shootings by disturbed young men? What policy would be in the public interest? |
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If one dis-trusts governments and bureaucrats, skip this as a needless waste, fabrication, propaganda, mind control, ... Besides, it is long, etc.
If one generally trusts the bureaucrats in the USAn government, this may be helpful.
Fame Through Assassination: A Secret Service Study
Date:Yesterday 23:00
| Quote: | | Very rarely is politics the primary motive behind assassinations or assassination attempts, says a 1999 Secret Service study. Rather, public figures are chosen because in the assassin's mind, it's a guaranteed way to transform from a "nobody" into a "somebody." |
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/14/132909487/fame-through-assassination-... |
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Referred to this one via an unrelated feed. Stimulating, in a neutral, academic sort of way; sans conclusions.
Arizona state of mind
By Amy Silverman; Sunday, January 16, 2011
IN PHOENIX Last Saturday, Jan. 8, began sunny and crisp in a tangle of leotards and tights, as I hustled my little girls across town and into the dance studio - as always, just a few moments late.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/14/AR2... |
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Did Misogyny Influence Jared Loughner?
| Quote: | At a small local branch of a major bank, for example, the tellers would have their fingers on the alarm button whenever they saw him approaching.
It was not just his appearance — the pale shaved head and eyebrows — that unnerved them. It was also the aggressive, often sexist things that he said, including asserting that women should not be allowed to hold positions of power or authority.
One individual with knowledge of the situation said Mr. Loughner once got into a dispute with a female branch employee after she told him that a request of his would violate bank policy. He brusquely challenged the woman, telling her that she should not have any power. |
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| fork wrote: | Did Misogyny Influence Jared Loughner?
| Quote: | At a small local branch of a major bank, for example, the tellers would have their fingers on the alarm button whenever they saw him approaching.
It was not just his appearance — the pale shaved head and eyebrows — that unnerved them. It was also the aggressive, often sexist things that he said, including asserting that women should not be allowed to hold positions of power or authority.
One individual with knowledge of the situation said Mr. Loughner once got into a dispute with a female branch employee after she told him that a request of his would violate bank policy. He brusquely challenged the woman, telling her that she should not have any power. |
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Aggravating, but not surprising, that he would hold such views and then target a female Representative.
It seems more and more likely that, in the end, there won't be any one cause behind Loughner's attempt to assassinate Giffords. I would expect that the events ultimately resulted from a combination of misogyny, anti-government paranoia and untreated mental illness. At least since Loughner is alive, there is a chance that he may one day explain his motivations, if Arizona doesn't execute him first.
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| TS. wrote: | | ... It seems more and more likely that, in the end, there won't be any one cause behind Loughner's attempt to assassinate Giffords. I would expect that the events ultimately resulted from a combination of misogyny, anti-government paranoia and untreated mental illness. At least since Loughner is alive, there is a chance that he may one day explain his motivations, if Arizona doesn't execute him first. |
Quickly, I speculated about his parents as well as the missing ammunition later found cached in the creek/wash bed that he used to escape his father. |
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| bshmr wrote: | | TS. wrote: | | ... It seems more and more likely that, in the end, there won't be any one cause behind Loughner's attempt to assassinate Giffords. I would expect that the events ultimately resulted from a combination of misogyny, anti-government paranoia and untreated mental illness. At least since Loughner is alive, there is a chance that he may one day explain his motivations, if Arizona doesn't execute him first. |
Quickly, I speculated about his parents as well as the missing ammunition later found cached in the creek/wash bed that he used to escape his father. |
Did he have a bad relationship with his parents?
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| sparqui wrote: | | Did he have a bad relationship with his parents? |
Possible to likely, one might reasonably speculate. He professes atheism while his mother was alleged and Giffords is Jewish; when Jarrod refused to open his bag and simply left, his father attempted to follow him (but not on foot as Jarrod was); family considered more 'private' than most and more so in the preceding three years; friends remarking of his attention seeking as well as their fear of him lately; ... . The additional revelations about blatant misogamy, which is typically learned, etc.
A portion of his behavior may be reactionary, surely not all of it.
Purely speculation on my part. |
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| Quote: | | The competition was tough, but today's Tone-Deaf Award goes to Arizona's GOP, which is holding a fundraising raffle. First prize: a Glock handgun, like the one used to shoot Gabrielle Giffords in the head. The raffle is in Pima County, where the shooting took place. |
Glock in Arizona: Tickets Will Go Quickly For This Firearm!
This is either funny, or yet another sign that the USA should soon expect hordes of locusts, plagues and pestilence to reward it for its Biblically-proportioned sinfulness.
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I have difficulty stomaching this sort of 'control-freak' crap. In this case, prosecutors insist on making reality match their fantasies -- drug and train a definite psychotic (or POW) 'to behave' in prison or court for the glory of who and what. Aside, with POWs it helps to make them psychotic first with sleep deprivation, constant noise, un-natural lighting (24-hour or diurnal disrupting), punitive 'obedience training', etc.
Loughner Returns To Arizona For Wed. Hearing
Date:Today 06:22
The suspect in the Tucson shooting rampage has been transported to Arizona after spending months at a Missouri prison facility where experts were trying to make him mentally fit to stand trial.
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This story would have fit well into the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin shooting thread, if we had one.
| Quote: | | Raul Rodriguez, a retired firefighter in Texas, is on trial for killing elementary school teacher Kelly Danaher and wounding two others after he confronted them about their party's loud music. Rodriquez claims he was just “standing my ground” - albeit on their property, after he baited and threatened them. Incredibly, he videotaped the entire incident; even more incredibly, he seems to think the chilling evidence will help his case. |
Oh, Do Let's All Just Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing, Shall We?
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So it goes...
3 dead after Alabama pool party shooting
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There's no more deserving a society than a self declared indispensable one.
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You can't make this stuff up.
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A West Virginia man who told authorities that he was hitchhiking across the country and writing a memoir about kindness was injured in a seemingly random drive-by shooting near Montana's booming Bakken oil patch.
Ray Dolin, 39, was shot in the arm as he approached a pickup on Saturday evening thinking the driver was offering him a ride, said Valley County Sheriff Glen Meier. |
Bail set after hitchhiker writing book on kindness shot near Glasgow
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The epilogue should be interesting.
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| Quote: | | An American man accused of attacking his girlfriend with a pair of sauce-covered pants is facing charges of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon: |
WASABI!
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| Quote: | In his first lengthy TV interview, neighbourhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman said Wednesday he wanted to apologize to Trayvon Martin’s parents for fatally shooting their son but insisted he was not pursuing the teenager on the rainy night they confronted one another.
When asked in a nationally televised interview by Fox News host Sean Hannity what he would tell the teen’s parents, he said “I’m sorry,” and that he would be open to talking to them about what happened the night of the shooting.
“I can’t imagine what it must feel like. And I pray for them daily,” Zimmerman said. Later, he added: “I am sorry that this happened.”
The teenager’s father, Tracy Martin, said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press that he rejected a comment Zimmerman made about the events of that night being part of “God’s plan.”
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It appears that Sean Hannity has offered to pay all of Zimmerman's legal fees to secure a preferred lawyer for the killer of Trayvon Martin.
| Quote: | The jailhouse calls also show Zimmerman had no shortage of attorneys to choose from. He told his brother-in-law that a benefactor offered to pay his entire legal defense on the condition that the legal team include Jose Baez, the lawyer who represented accused child killer Casey Anthony, who was acquitted of murder.
Word of the offer came from Zimmerman’s neighbor, Frank Taaffe, who mentioned someone with the initials “S.H.” People watching the case closely believe S.H. to be Fox News talk show host Sean Hannity. The network denied Tuesday that Hannity ever offered to pay Zimmerman’s legal tab, and Taaffe won’t confirm the TV star’s involvement.
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In other news, George Zimmerman's anticipated legal strategy has been leaked to the press: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBM82Ju2kJU&feature=player_embed...
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Oh barf: lawyers.
http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
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Thing is, I saw and heard plenty of REAL lawyers' ads that are just like that - they make you WANT to get in an accident just so you can sue someone and cash in big.
THat was in NM and AZ. I didn't see nearly as much of that nonsense coming up the west coast a few weeks ago. |
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Thing is, I saw and heard plenty of REAL lawyers' ads that are just like that - they make you WANT to get in an accident just so you can sue someone and cash in big.
THat was in NM and AZ. I didn't see nearly as much of that nonsense coming up the west coast a few weeks ago. |
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Ads schmads; I've met real lawyers who were like that - friggin' jackals feeding off the misfortune of others.
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..while Mayor Linseed escaped unharmed.
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Some Republican is Texas is blaming it on an attack on Christian values.
How many of these tragedies will it take for the US to realize that lax gun laws + mental illness are a potent combination for deadly outcomes.
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| sparqui wrote: | Some Republican is Texas is blaming it on an attack on Christian values.
How many of these tragedies will it take for the US to realize that lax gun laws + mental illness are a potent combination for deadly outcomes. |
Lax gun laws + mental illness + the way such crimes are reported, as made rather clear by Dr Park Dietz @ 1:40 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4
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Who has the mental illness?
CBC just aired some of Predatobamadrone's response to the massacre. It contained the usual bromides about "bringing the killer to justice" and "ensuring the safety of all citizens," blah blah blah.
It was as bad as Slick Willy Clinton's scolding of the Columbine High School killers on the day he ordered the bombing of Jugoslavia.
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Let us hope that in the aftermath there is a serious investigation as to how someone accumulated quite an arsenal by ordering over the internet. I know it's unlikely, but perhaps those who supplied the armaments will be asked to explain their process for ensuring the people who buy the products don't use them to go on a killing rampage.
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I agree that it's unlikely.
Isn't it odd that in Canada a bartender or someone who serves alcohol in his home is considered responsible for those who drink and drive, yet those retailers who provide firearms to killers in the US aren't liable at all.
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| al-Qa'bong wrote: | I agree that it's unlikely.
Isn't it odd that in Canada a bartender or someone who serves alcohol in his home is considered responsible for those who drink and drive, yet those retailers who provide firearms to killers in the US aren't liable at all. |
I believe some of those bartender rules apply in some places in the US as well. Does make one think, that's for sure.
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| Maestro wrote: | | al-Qa'bong wrote: | I agree that it's unlikely.
Isn't it odd that in Canada a bartender or someone who serves alcohol in his home is considered responsible for those who drink and drive, yet those retailers who provide firearms to killers in the US aren't liable at all. |
I believe some of those bartender rules apply in some places in the US as well. Does make one think, that's for sure. |
Another strange thing is that the US is one of the most litigious societies in the world (so much so that entire web pages and stand up comedy routines have mined some of the more outlandish American lawsuits). How is it that McDonald's can be successfully sued because a customer spilled hot coffee on her lap, but no one can sue gun manufacturers when obviously unstable people are able to obtain not just one weapon, but huge stockpiles of weapons and ammunition?
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| The Evil Twin wrote: | | How is it that McDonald's can be successfully sued because a customer spilled hot coffee on her lap, but no one can sue gun manufacturers when obviously unstable people are able to obtain not just one weapon, but huge stockpiles of weapons and ammunition? |
In many cases there is little to indicate instability until an unstable event occurs. Being asked to provide a criminal records check to a gun shop cashier prior to the sale wouldn't have stopped the most recent event at the movie theatre.
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From what seems to be a right-wing, libertarian website, an article from 1999 detailing the history of gun lawsuits in the US. The writer evidently has a bias(he's against the lawsuits), but it seems like it would contain a lot of information. Haven't read it myself.
I'd imagine there have been other cases since then. Apparently, Mexico tried to sue in US courts over gun deaths down there. Not sure how that turned out.
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| Slumberjack wrote: | | The Evil Twin wrote: | | How is it that McDonald's can be successfully sued because a customer spilled hot coffee on her lap, but no one can sue gun manufacturers when obviously unstable people are able to obtain not just one weapon, but huge stockpiles of weapons and ammunition? |
In many cases there is little to indicate instability until an unstable event occurs. Being asked to provide a criminal records check to a gun shop cashier prior to the sale wouldn't have stopped the most recent event at the movie theatre. |
However, a record of all sales that took place to this individual might have raised a red flag or two. After all, 6000 rounds of ammunition sounds a bit much for a hunting trip.
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