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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, Chaba's speed is starting to pick up, with movement now north-east at 14mph. Max sustained winds are now at 125mph, but there are gusts to 155mph, or the upper edge of cat. 4. This is still a very strong cat. 3.


Somewhat expected there...Chaba is about to hit some more intense vertical windsheer that (I think) is assocaited with this speed increase...It will drop from a cat 3 to tropical storm quickly, question is how much land will it hit before that. It'll be interesting when it hits the windsheer...the northern section of the storm will enter it first and be ripped off, might look like a storm going down a drain from the Satelite pics

lil worried what 32 foot waves can do to the southern coasts of japan.

Is it every a small compact system right now...I'm amazed something like that can still generate Cat 3 winds. Wonder how quickly it'll die off



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The one limiting factor I can think of for 91 is that it is a bit difficult to see if it has established closed circulation. If it has that, then it really is on the fast track to intensification.


You'll know when the circulation closes...it'll double in intensity when it does. It almost looks like two seperate circulations are trying to form too...which is a lil weird...I suspect it'll start becoming organized in the 72hour time frame and develope a recognizable eye...maybe 48h. SHIPS intensity model has it reaching into the 110 MPH range possible higher, though HWRF seems to think it'll cap around 90 and start to decline after 120h. Tend to agree with the SHIPS forcaast more right now...I think it's strongest will be past 120h right now. Guess we'll see, watch for the two spirals to join and the system to close

I think you're right with the remains of richard, it's probably drenching parts of Mexico right now...thats alot of disorganized cloud mass just sitting there. I'd think it'd move over land long before 91 moves into the area though, but something like that could fuel this storm even more.

Richard did lower some surface temps and churn up some colder water atleast...might take away some of the potential for 91's growth.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Jeff Masters has also pointed out 91 potential now too. There is a pretty extreme high coming into the gulf though, and it'll likely push it up the atlantic coast...but not until after crossing through the carribean. It's starting to look like a well defined storm, though it doesn't look like it's circulation has close yet. Still another 2 days before we see that I think, but it may be sooner. Master's is referring to it as an unusually strong storm too...he'll rarely use terminology like that unless it really is an unusually strong storm too, I wouldn't be surprised if 91 hits Cat 4 or 5 within a week.

Chaba is starting to weaken pretty rapidly..it's storm surge is down to 23 feet...still significant but no where near what 32 foot storm surges are capable of. You can see some sheer winds begin to tear it up on it's north side...the north side of the storm has been sprayed out into the jet stream, this storms death should look pretty on satilite pics.

And it looks like invest 92 has become TS shary. Doubt Shary will ever become a hurricane as it quite well north and in deep water...even if it did strengthen a bit (which I doubt) it'd churn up cold water and kill itself anyway...should be no more than a mass of clouds heading for England by sunday..
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BAMM and Lbar and giving funny predictions on 90 and Shary...two interfering storms always screw with a couple of the models badly.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the latest visual images on 91, it looks to me like the circulation has closed. I would expect to see fairly rapid intensification soon. Over the last seven hours, 91 has organized quite markedly as well.

It's good to see that the track on Chaba continues to shift south-east. The impact on land should be much reduced.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It still needs time to develop before wind speeds pick-up though...a system this massive will take quite a bit of time to fully organize and close the system, just because of it's sheer size. You're right though TS, it is looking more and more organized.

The stuff coming out of the NHC is a bit ominous:
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I had with hurricane experts at NHC and NOAA's Hurricane Research Division yesterday, it was widely agreed that this system was unusually large and well-organized for this time of year--something one would expect to see in early September, but not late October. The historical Atlantic hurricane data base shows no cases where a tropical depression has formed so far south and east so late in the year. "Ominous" and "unprecedented" were a few of the adjectives I heard used to describe 91L, and this system has the potential to be a dangerous storm for the islands of the eastern and central Caribbean.


That's from masters blog. I wasn't quite aware of it...apparently storms that remain close to the equator (this one is at 10 degrees N) don't devlope the spin quite as quickly (from a logical standpoint it does make sense). This in addition to it's sheer size will mean it'll take significantly longer to build it's windspeeds up. Once it does get moving, the amount of energy in this system is just sick. We'll have to watch storm surge numbers...

Wunderground doesn't have the jet stream and preassure numbers out far enough, but it does look like there's a large High sitting overtop of Texas right now that will prevent 91 from entering the gulf. If the jetstream moves north though...too hard to tell this far out.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's been a hurricane hunter flight into 91L, and as far as I can tell from the graphic on Wunderground, there are tropical storm force winds at the centre of the storm, where it looks like it is trying to form an eye.

The really dangerous part of this storm is that it is moving over some of the warmest water left in the Atlantic. It is currently over 29-30 degree SSTs which will provide a lot of energy for intensification. The most ominous part is that these SSTs persist all along the projected track for 91L. The storm is also moving pretty quickly (WNW at 20mph), so it won't be stirring up much cold water and killing its intensification that way.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And hey presto, 91L has become Tropical Storm Thomas, the 19th named storm of the Atlantic hurricane season. This storm's sustained winds are already up to 60mph. Thomas has developed a VERY nasty looking area of convection which is going to travel directly over some of the islands in the Lesser Antilles within the next 24 hours. Fortunately, Thomas' intensification into a hurricane isn't expected to happen until after crossing the Lesser Antilles. Thomas is currently forecast to be a category 3 major hurricane by Tuesday afternoon, when it is expected to begin a turn to the north.

Tropical storm warnings are up for:
- Martinique
- St. Lucia
- Barbados
- St. Vincent and the Grenadines
- Grenada
- Trinidad and Tobago

A tropical storm watch is up for Dominica.

Update at midnight EDT: Spoke too soon about Richard being a tropical storm when he crosses the Lesser Antilles. Sustained winds are now 65mph and Richard is now expected to become a hurricane within the next eight hours. As of satellite images from about eight minutes ago, that area of scarily strong convection has grown in size and spiral bands are now hitting the Lesser Antilles. Barbados is pretty well under the storm already, so they may actually get a slightly easier ride than the rest of the islands as Richard strengthens.

Hurricane warnings are now up for:
- Barbados
- St. Vincent and the Grenadines
- St. Lucia
- Martinique

The tropical storm warnings for Grenda and Trinidad and Tobago remain in place. The tropical storm watch for Dominica has been changed to a tropical storm warning.

Tropical storm force winds are extending outwards from Thomas for 165km from the centre. Right now, the storm surge is relatively minimal, 1-3 feet. I would expect that to change as Thomas crosses the windward islands and enters the Caribbean proper. Current estimated central pressure is 997mbar and dropping. As a point of comparison, Hurricane Katrina's lowest central pressure reading was 902mbar.

I don't at the moment, see any factors inhibiting Thomas' intensification.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Thomas is now a hurricane. Sustained winds are 75mph. The storm is currently crossing the windward islands.

And in a turn that is rather puzzling me, Tropical Storm Shary also became a hurricane. I can't understand how Shary possibly drew enough energy our of the ocean to support intensification.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas appears to have undergone further intensification, with sustained winds now at 90mph. Everything points to further intensification, with Thomas likely becoming a category 2 storm overnight tonight.

And by the way, Chaba, now a tropical storm, never wound up making landfall in Japan, it stayed just off shore. The Tokyo area probably still got a good blow from the outer parts of the storm though.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas is now a category 2 hurricane, with sustained winds of 100mph. However, visually Thomas is looking less and less organized.

It's interesting that all of the intensity forecasts are calling for Thomas to drop substantially by about 2.5 days from now, but then come roaring back even stronger than ever, with the GFDL and HWRF calling for Thomas to gain wind speeds in the vicinity of 130mph.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see Chaba never reaching land. I missed the sat pics of the sheer winds tearing it to peices too. When will hurricanes learn weekends are holidays...

lil baffled on Shary as well...though it barely became a hurricane. It did die really quickly as expected, but still would not have expected the conditions to allow a hurricane to form like that. Wonder what happened there.

Tomas is interesting to watch...St.Lucia got hit pretty bad, I beleive they are still in a state of emergency as they recover from the 90 MPH winds. Sheer winds have almost killed it though...the storm is hard to make out on satilite anymore, the upper part of the storm is entirely displaced from it's circulation. Apparently these sheer conditions (20mph or so winds) are going to continue playing havoc with the storm for the next 24h...then we'll see conditions favorable for tomas to come roaring back. Assuming the winds haven't already destroyed it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomas has pretty much been split in two...top half and bottom half being seperated from each other. We might see this weaken to tropical depression before it reforms
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The damage from Tomas is significant...13 million plus in damages (8.5 to st.lucia alone). Flooding is heavy, but St.Lucia took the full brunt on the northern eyewall (strongest winds) and sustained pretty heavy wind damages...many many buildings without rooftops now.

As for Tomas...this image shows the sheer winds working their magic:


You can cleary see the low level circular clouds of the storm revealed as the bulk of the thunderstorm activity was displace well to the west of the storm.

Scary predictions for Tomas now...it's drifting significantly south into the carribean. Looks like the models are starting to agree with this...if it does, Tomas will find itself over warm water and optimal conditions for storm development. Might be another 3-4 days, but we're going to see Tomas regrow and possibly hit the cat 4-5 range before moving out if the carribean.

Seeing a few shocked respones that Tomas managed to make it to a cat 2 storm earlier.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What models are you seeing the changing track on? Every one of them that I can see except for NOGAPS continues to show the storm going west into the Caribbean and then making a hard northward turn and crossing Haiti or Jamaica.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think I can show you the previous runs on the models...they get overwritten on wunderground. The runs now have the storm going further south into the carribean and staying there longer than they did previously. Three days ago the models had the 120h as out in the atlantic...now the 120h mark is barely out of the carribean on the UKMet run.

Nogaps has an odd prediction...the high pushing the storm south into central america instead of north east into the altantic. Find that doubtful, but interesting nonetheless.

Gotta laugh at the ensemble models...the white line prediction isn't even close to the majority of the pink ones. whats going on there?
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I think the delay in putting the storm out into the Atlantic is more that the wheels came off and Thomas stopped moving nearly as fast. Speed is down to 11mph. I don't know that there is necessarily a case of the predicted track being distorted.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The path seems to be a bit further south then I recalled it being last week...but you're right, the main cause for concern is the storm slowing down.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomas is barely a storm by the Sat pics now. Lil model rundown....possibly for my own reference.

I like UKMet on Tomas...seems like a smooth curve and has been generally correct. Moreover, it's been saying close to the same thing right from the start on Tomas...I hate the models that come up with extremes on every run.

NGFDL - this thing has managed to come up with a silly extreme every run so far...It's got a quebec landfall for Tomas now (somehow the storm will go from florida to quebec in 2 days? seems a little extreme for speed). That bashing aside, GDFL seems to be the more accurate (maybe a little high) for intensity forecasting. Odd that it can get the strength right, but not be close for the path.

HWRF - I like this model for it's route forecasting...but not on Tomas. And it's been coming up with tiny tiny numbers for Tomas's strength as well...according to HWRF, Tomas won't be a storm tomorrow. Tomas is rebuilding and picking up in thunderstorm activity...highly doubt HWRF has the intensity right.

GFS is agreeing with the Ensembles...I remember GFS being heavily reliant on preasure, and tends to be more correct when there's a huge pressure system influencing the hurricanes movement...like there is now. We'll see how close it is to right I guess.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomas barely exists this morning...I don't think I'd recognize it as a storm on just the satelite pics. Still contains alot of rain and might be a flooding threat in the region (particularly Haiti).

Tomas intensity models are interesting...in particular GFDL and HWRF are nearly inverses of each other. GDFL thinks Tomas will survive it's current conditions and strengthen while still in the carribean...then move off into the atlantic to die. HWRF seems to think the storm will continue to fall apart, move into the atlantic, and then restrengthen from there (no where near the same strength it would gain if it was in the carribean though).

Weird to see two models come up as inverses of each other like this

Just recording this discussion comment from Beven on wunderground:
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A deep-layer trough and accompanying cold front
moving through the Gulf of Mexico and the southeastern United
States should cause Tomas to recurve toward the northeast during
the next 48 hr...with a generally northeastward motion continuing
through 72-96 hr. After that time...the guidance becomes
divergent. The GFDL stalls the cyclone just west of Haiti. The
UKMET and NOGAPS forecast Tomas to shear off with the remnant
low-level circulation moving southwestward. Finally...the GFS and
ECMWF call for a continued eastward to east-northeastward motion.


we'll see which model gets it ^^
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haiti's going to get drenched...there's already reports from flood related deaths last weekend from what would be considered normal seasonal rains. Now the soil is soaked, landslide threats will be high...and Tomas is in position to drop alot of rain on the island.

30% - 1 to 5 inches as Tomas stays well to the west. We'll likely see a few death reports even here, mostly due to rivers flooding over.

40% - Major flood event with 4-8 inches of rain and likely moderate loss of life due to high flowing rivers and landslide.

30% - Tomas makes a direct hit and delivers 5 - 20 inches of rain causing a catastrophic flooding event. Haiti is heavily deforested and mostly rugged hills that will simply melt with this much rain. We'll see a larger death toll and likely a cry for help not unlike
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomas will hit Atlantidc canada by the looks of it. It's restrengthened to a hurricane...which to me is a bit on the suprising side from looking at it. Too big and lacking closed circulation or even an eye, yet still a hurricane with tropical storm winds reaching some 220 KM from the center of the storm. It should weaken pretty quickly, but will remain a giant mass of clouds...which Atlantic canada should see in about 4-5 days.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disorganized hurricanes seem to be the feature of the second half of the waning part of this season. Remember, Shary didn't even look like a cyclonic storm when it made hurricane status.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the hurricane season...

Tropical Cyclone three (TC3) is kicking up...the model information on this is decently consistent (it's usually badly conflicting on Indian ocean storms) and it appears it will grow from a tropical depression to a cat 1 cyclone within 3-4 days. Wont' live very long after that as it hits cold water...not really a threat to a landmass either, maybe rainbands from flash floods, but nothing much.

Hard to give much history on this storm either...Indian Ocean cyclones don't seem to be well tracked and archived anywhere. I can't even find a pressure listing for TC3 here either.


And atlantic season comes to an end today, so I expect to see closing comments from a few of my frequented weather bloggers. The major notes for me was the relative luck of the US...I don't think a single hurricane made US landfall, nor did any storm kick up during the oil..umm...leak? Mexico took several intense hits and probably suffered the most from wind damage, and I beleive rain damage was likely the number one cause of damage to caribbean islands.

The number or rare occourences and first time occourences this season was pretty large...A large hurricane striking Newfoundland is unheard of for me, though there could be historical precidence there...I think Canada recorded one person dead from the storm, which is the only death on canadian soil from cyclone activity that I can find.

The intensity of the Pacific season was notably high...in previous seasons I could write this off as poor historical reporting to compare it to, but as the science grows that is becoming less and less of a plausible excuse.


Jeff Masters on his Wunderground blog does a good job of outlining the individual storms. here

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Yup on the US lucky bit. Master's has this:
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We had twelve hurricanes in the Atlantic in 2010, yet none of them struck the U.S. Since 1900 there is no precedent of an Atlantic hurricane season with ten or more hurricanes where none has struck the U.S. as a hurricane.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newly released image summarzing the 2010 hurricane season. I won't put the image in, just the link to the NOAA site

here
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