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Clog-boy Lucid Dreamer

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 1524 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:14 am Post subject: More bacteria grow resistant to antibiotics |
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I was quite alarmed when I just heard something about some research proving things have gotten worse than expected.
It seems more bacteria are growing resistant to our antibiotics and penicillin.
I found this site:Genome News Network, with some alarming articles...
Here are some pieces of the articles on the site mentioned above:
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Bacteria Pick Up Genes for Antibiotic Resistance
Scientists have confirmed their suspicions that a strain of hospital bacteria Staphylococcus aureus acquired resistance to the powerful drug vancomycin from another species of bacteria also commonly found in hospitals.
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Bacterial genomes have large amounts of DNA that can move around on chromosomes, between organisms, and even jump between species. This enables them to pass traits such as drug resistance from one to another.
Antibiotic resistance is a growing health concern, which led the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to launch a campaign in September called “Get Smart: Know When Antibiotics Work” to alert doctors and patients to be cautious in using antibiotics.
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Mutant Bacteria and the Failure of Antibiotics
Hospitals have germs. And germs have a remarkable ability to develop resistance to the antibiotics we rely on to kill them. These facts are well known to the medical community and have been a source of great concern for years. A number of books and articles for both the lay reader and the professional have been written on the subject, each in its way raising a red flag that says, in one way on another, we have to control the use of antibiotics less we lose them to smart bacteria that learn to become immune to their toxic effects.
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Most infections are either bacterial or viral, and bacterial infections are susceptible to antibiotics. These drugs are designed to attach to enzymes on bacterial cell walls, either preventing the microbes from replicating or killing them outright. Unless, that is, the bacteria mutate and change their enzymes, thus preventing the drug from attaching.
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Bacteria may be small, but these one-celled organisms can divide and reproduce into more daughter cells than the human population of Earth in just fourteen hours.
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I've noticed the articles are some three years old, but apparently the issue still isn't solved. According to the Dutch news, the situation has proven worse than scientists expected. Haven't been able to find any recent English sources on this, though. Maybe one of you people can..? |
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Clog-boy Lucid Dreamer

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 1524 Location: Arnhem, the Netherlands
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| This FAQ at the site of the CDC on Antibiotic Resistance might shed a bit more light on the subject... |
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Tommy Shanks obviously, blatantly, shirking
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 444 Location: Tranna
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Hospitals have germs. And germs have a remarkable ability to develop resistance to the antibiotics we rely on to kill them. These facts are well known to the medical community and have been a source of great concern for years. |
The number I hear tossed around at conferences and the like is that 90,000 Americans go into hospital each year with a curable condition and end up dying from one of these infections like Straph or MRSA. |
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Cartman Beyond cuddly

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 8641 Location: OMG! They killed Jason Kenney!
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| We really need to educate people about when they should see a doctor. At the same time, doctors need to be more disciplined in terms of handing out prescriptions. I have had several eye infections (styes) during my life, and the doctors claim there is nothing that can be done to permanently eliminate them (genetic). When I get them, the options are to leave them and hope they go down (not an option), lance them or offer prescriptions. I would rather have them lanced, but docs always want to prescribe antibiotics because it is in the eye area and they want to cover their asses. |
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deBeauxOs Self-banned
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 327
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| If you want to scare yourself silly, read Laurie Garrett's book, The Coming Plague . |
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Mr. Anonymous free thinker
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 310
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: alternatives |
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I believe there are some potentially very promising alternatives outside of the current allopathic paradigm, however, such as these
(keep in mind that these are brief descriptions and are therefore not complete, or even completely accurate):
- Phage therapy: http://www.evergreen.edu/phage/phagetherapy/phagetherapy.htm#introd...
http://www.phagetherapy.com/ptlinks.html
- Probiotics to help one digest and assimilate food.
- Various cleanses to help one clean out ones body, leading to better digestion and elimination in the future.
- Antioxidents:
Alpha-Lipoic Acid is perhaps the best one for the dollar, about 300 times as powerfull as Vitamin C and E combined.
- Colloidal Silver, very effective in killing off unwanted stuff in the body.
- Essential Oils, some of which are very effective in killing off unwanted stuff in the body.
- "Rife" technology. See "The cancer cure that worked..." by Barry Lymes.
- some of these folks: http://www.renewedlife.com/article/?id=26
and last, but certainly not least, the idea that most diseases will only occur in an acidic (low PH) environment is potentially of great value. Insofar as this is true (and as I understand it is very true), most Cancers and other diseases can be prevented - and even cured if caught in time - simply by bringing ones PH levels to a more neutral or alkaline state. A page on alkalizing foods can be found here, http://mysite.verizon.net/felipe2/id12.html while an article on the effects of a too-acidic body can be found here: http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/phbalancearticle.html
"Natural Cures that Work" by Kevin Trudeau is also useful in this and other areas related to health. _________________ "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 4004 Location: Central USA, Earth
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Something to look forward to for potential as well as 'tease' value.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11182437
Insect brains 'are source of antibiotics' to fight MRSA
6 September 2010 Last updated at 07:08 ET
| Quote: | Cockroaches, far from being a health hazard, could be a rich source of antibiotics.
A study of locust and cockroach brains has found a number of chemicals which can kill bugs like MRSA.
Scientists hope these could become a powerful new weapon to boost the dwindling arsenal of antibiotics used to treat severe bacterial infections.
The research was announced at a meeting of the Society for General Microbiology.
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Willow Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 264 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know much about this subject, but I did hear an interesting piece on CBC radio about Superbugs. The scientists were studying how bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics. They had assumed that the bacteria would develop a resistance, then pass it on through genes so its offspring would be resistance. Turns out this is not the case. Only a very few develop a resistance - the "superbugs." These superbugs then share their resistance. Without the superbug present, the other bacteria were still very weak and could be killed with even less antibiotic than previously thought. So now its to find out how to stop the superbugs from sharing that resistance. The scientist on the show seemed quite excited about this find. Does anyone else know more about this? _________________ There is a wisdom of the head, and....a wisdom of the heart. Charles Dickens |
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Willow Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 01 Aug 2007 Posts: 264 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know much about this subject, but I did hear an interesting piece on CBC radio about Superbugs. The scientists were studying how bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics. They had assumed that the bacteria would develop a resistance, then pass it on through genes so its offspring would be resistance. Turns out this is not the case. Only a very few develop a resistance - the "superbugs." These superbugs then share their resistance. Without the superbug present, the other bacteria were still very weak and could be killed with even less antibiotic than previously thought. So now its to find out how to stop the superbugs from sharing that resistance. The scientist on the show seemed quite excited about this find. Does anyone else know more about this? _________________ There is a wisdom of the head, and....a wisdom of the heart. Charles Dickens |
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 4004 Location: Central USA, Earth
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Willow wrote: | | ...piece on CBC radio about Superbugs. The scientists were studying how bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics. They had assumed that the bacteria would develop a resistance, then pass it on through genes so its offspring would be resistance. Turns out this is not the case. Only a very few develop a resistance - the "superbugs." These superbugs then share their resistance. Without the superbug present, the other bacteria were still very weak and could be killed with even less antibiotic than previously thought. So now its to find out how to stop the superbugs from sharing that resistance. ... |
Another research PR alluded to a protein (IIRC) and that might be what you heard about. With a professional conference going on, there will lots of stuff making the MSM news in that subject area. |
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Rufus Polson Purple Library Guy
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3483 Location: SFU and/or the college of Riddlemastery at Caithnard
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that may be exciting to the scientists, but it sounds worrisome to me. Thing is, one organism can only do so much--there's a metabolic cost for being resistant to more things.
But if there's only a few resistant bacteria in any population, there could be a scattering of a whole bunch of types of resistant bacteria, each resistant to a couple of things and capable of passing their resistance to the whole population. In this way, the population of bacteria as a whole could be resistant to a broad spectrum of stuff without taking much of a metabolic hit. Good survival strategy on their part, bad news for us.
Plus, I'm not sure it helps much. I mean, so they're thinking "If we can just knock out the few superbugs, we'll be able to readily kill all the other bacteria that don't have the superbugs' resistance on their own!" But, if they can kill the superbugs, they could presumably do it even if the population were all superbugs, so what's the difference? I suppose if they could interfere with the mechanism by which the superbugs passed on their resistance, they could kill everything else and leave the superbugs alive but too few to do damage. But if they start routinely doing that, we really *will* end up with a population of just superbugs. Newsflash to scientists: Bacteria reproduce fairly quickly. |
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Willow Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: |
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They did say the bacteria were "altruistic." I think the gist of it was to find out how to stop the superbugs from sharing the resistance. And here I thought it was something positive. geez. Thanks Rufus for that positive outlook. Your probably right though. _________________ There is a wisdom of the head, and....a wisdom of the heart. Charles Dickens |
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 4004 Location: Central USA, Earth
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Other recent PR items included a) using bacteria to attack other bacteria and b) that bacteria split into toxin-making attack and re-producing groups.
Anyways, I suppose one could still peruse the CBC program records for the name of the expert or subject matter; and then, sue that to find more info. |
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Rufus Polson Purple Library Guy
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3483 Location: SFU and/or the college of Riddlemastery at Caithnard
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, if nothing else it's always cool to learn new stuff. I'm not saying they shouldn't have found this out. It strikes me as a pretty neat adaptation and yet another of those cases where it turns out bacteria are much less acting on their own and much more, basically, social than had ever been realized. It's just that their ability to co-operate effectively probably isn't great news for us. |
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bshmr Fulltime enMasse Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting collection, now watch for unintended consequences. One would produce ammonia, which could be fertilizer or water pollution.
12 Ways Bacteria Improves Our Lives, From Hard Drives to Highrises
by Jaymi Heimbuch, San Francisco, California on 01.20.11
| Quote: | When we think of bacteria, we usually think about the illness it can cause and our need to get rid of it. However, bacteria play enormously positive roles in our lives without us even thinking twice about it. As Bonnie Bassler of Princeton University put it in a TED talk, "When I look at you, I think of you as 1 or 10 percent human and either 90 or 99 percent bacterial." And back in May, we found out about research that shows exposure to a natural soil bacterium called Mycobacterium vaccae can actually increase learning behavior. But that's not the only thing smart about bacteria. Scientists are also finding myriad ways to put bacteria to work for us, rather than constantly looking at how to exterminate it. From using bacteria as tiny hard drives for data storage to engineering them to fill in concrete cracks and make our buildings last longer, there's a lot of ways mighty bacteria is improving our lives.
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http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01/12-ways-bacteria-improves-o... |
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