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TS.
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So that makes shooting him okay? What the hell? He was shot for being brown, wearing bulky clothing and jumping a turnstile. Only the third one is a crime, but I bet that a white kid doing the second and third things wouldn't have been shot.
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No Yards
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Yeah, and your point being?
Is it that because someone kills 52 innocent people you can't be too critical of "their people" killing a innocent person whom they believe belongs to the "other side"?
Good point ... that would then justify the killing of 52 innocent people due to the 10's, if not 100's, of thousands of innocent people killed in the illegal occupation of Iraq.
Or is it only the white race that gets to be excused of killing innocent people?
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| TS. wrote: | | So that makes shooting him okay? What the hell? He was shot for being brown, wearing bulky clothing and jumping a turnstile. Only the third one is a crime, but I bet that a white kid doing the second and third things wouldn't have been shot. |
ACtually, in the end, the only "illegal" thing he did was "being brown" ... he never jumped the turnstile, nor was he wearing a bulky jacket .. those were lies as well.
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| And isn't he kind'a permanently dead? |
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| No Yards wrote: | | . . . Google away grandkids, history, the real history, is waiting to teach you lessons that hopefully won't be repeated. . . ! |
Oh come now, assuming Little Junior will be interested in researching anything more remote that the previous years Canadian Idol, he still might not find anything incriminating. Least ways, not if Enmasse follows the White House's example and institutes a Memory Hole.
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More on the star witness/informant who's been testifying about his role in this ... now, normally I'd think that former drug use was pretty minor and irrelevant to someone's credibility, but it sounds like this guy was a bit of a dilettante.
| Quote: | ... On his first day under cross-examination, Mubin Shaikh, 32, described his teenaged rebellion from Muslim orthodoxy. Part of that included getting five tattoos and inflicting 12 cigarette burns on himself.
Shaikh, who was born and raised in Toronto, said he became a devout Muslim at aged 19 after going on a four-month program to India and Pakistan.
... Shaikh also said he spent two years studying and teaching in Syria.
"It was after living in Syria that I realized how good Muslims have it (in Canada)," he said.
... He also said he sympathized with those who oppose Canada's military role in Afghanistan. |
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| I guess all he missed was a trip to Esalen. and maybe EST... |
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Senor Magoo
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| Quote: | | now, normally I'd think that former drug use was pretty minor and irrelevant to someone's credibility, but it sounds like this guy was a bit of a dilettante. |
The article doesn't mention drug use (?).
Just out of curiousity, Tehanu, assuming he smoked some weed a decade ago, are you actually saying that in this case you think that damages his credibility?
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Looks like they've edited the article quite a bit since yesterday (the drug use was in the original headline, IIRC). This paragraph in the current article:
| Quote: | | Shaikh, 32, who was paid $300,000 to infiltrate the group, admitted during morning testimony that he was once a drug abuser who lived in the fast lane during a period of teenaged rebellion from Muslim orthodoxy. |
Anyway, as I already said I don't see former drug use as a problem in terms of general credibility, but he does seem to be setting himself up as a highly "clean-living" person. The prosecution appears to be working to demolish that a bit.
In the revised article he also goes into some detail about how incompetent and naive the alleged terrorists were. |
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Yep, almost as incompetant as the CSIS and RCMP arstles who played the part of Nova Scotia duck trolling retreivers and conned these dweebs into posturing foolishly.
Monty Python could have a ball with this bunch.
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Thank gawd they never mastered opening a can of tuna. 
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But what about that "woman" they had to "feed"? Don't you remember? They were all concerned about procuring "250" units of food for some woman.
I wonder where that woman is? Why haven't we heard from her? Is she too busy eating her "250"?
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TS.
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You can say it is likely that they were talking about ammunition all you want, but likely isn't good enough in a criminal trial. A criminal trial requires proof beyond any reasonable doubt. Unless the Crown can definitively prove to the judge (since I believe these trials are before a judge alone) that "woman" meant gun, they Crown is going to be out of luck.
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No Yards
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The Crown is now arguing that shoplifting is an act of terrorism 
The crown's current case is falling apart fast, their star "witless" is actually providing more evidence for the defense than the prosecution.
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Alter the perspective and everything changes. In the first full-fledged trial coming out of the case of the Toronto 18, the Crown is arguing that a youth (who cannot be named) participated in a "shocking and sensational" terrorist plot "to cause harm and death by attacking innocent lives."
But in a Brampton courtroom yesterday, RCMP informer Mubin Shaikh – the government's star witness – acknowledged that while this particular youth may have been an unsuccessful shoplifter (he was caught – twice), he knew nothing about alleged schemes to blow up buildings or behead politicians
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He said the so-called military training consisted of getting the campers to march up and down a road to keep warm.
He said that when an illegal handgun was used for target practice, the youthful campers were "freaked out" by the noise.
He agreed that the campers wore camouflage outfits mainly to protect their clothes during paintball games.
Last week, Shaikh testified that one of the alleged ringleaders gave a long allegorical speech in which he spoke of the need for Muslims to bring down "Rome" – which the RCMP informer said was a reference to the U.S.
Yesterday, Shaikh acknowledged that many of those present – including the person now on trial – wouldn't have a had a clue what the speech meant.
And he summed up the Washago adventure with these words: "Nobody knew what they were doing ... Idiocy seemed to be a constant theme."
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The Crown argues that his actions, including shoplifting, were part of a conscious effort to support terrorism.
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Idiocy, it seems, is still a constant theme.
ETA: Link to article http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/444465
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Does this compel us to be naive?
I don't really expect the law to take its lead from me, and so if the burden of proof in the courtroom isn't met, so be it.
But I can't see why I should pretend that there ever really was a woman who needed to be fed "250" nor that this crew was actually buying the fertilizer for anything other than a bomb.
At a certain point, ignoring the obvious just makes the left look like either the gullible hippies people seem to think they are, or the terrorist sympathizers people seem to think they are.
"Hey! Let's vote for the left! They want to jail my uncle for not registering his .22 single shot, and they want to free a bunch of radicals who bought 3000 kilograms of bomb-making material! They sound like responsible and intelligent leaders!"
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| Senor Magoo wrote: | But what about that "woman" they had to "feed"? Don't you remember? They were all concerned about procuring "250" units of food for some woman.
I wonder where that woman is? Why haven't we heard from her? Is she too busy eating her "250"? |
They could have been talking about ammo, paint balls, atomic bombs, or actual food for all anyone knows.
Maybe the informant, wanting to earn his $300,000, "tricked" the shoplifters ... err, I mean "terrorists", into talking about everything in "code" so it could be more easily construed to sound nefarious by his key stone cop masters.
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And then there is the right that wants to ignore the fact that they would never have gone anywhere near making a bomb if the RCMP and CSIS hadn't helped them to procure the fertilizer. You are allowed to dream about killing someone all you want, so long as you don't actually do anything about it, and these people who were on trial were in all likelihood entrapped into this by the police and security services.
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| Senor Magoo wrote: | Does this compel us to be naive?
At a certain point, ignoring the obvious just makes the left look like either the gullible hippies people seem to think they are, or the terrorist sympathizers people seem to think they are. |
If your uncle is breaking the law then he should be prepared to suffer the consequences if caught. If he really does have an unregistered single shot 22 and the police violated his rights, or presented false evidence in order to attempt to convict your uncle, or even tricked your uncle into using some kind of "coded" speech that they could then record and claim it meant real criminal intent, then I would be just as suspicious of the crown evidence as as I am of this evidence.
The "left", as the "right" are much better off letting the odd "terrorist" get away than they would be usurping the principles of legal rights in a democracy.
If some people don't want to vote for the left because they hold too dearly to the principle of our constitutional legal rights, then it's not the "left" that should be criticized.
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Does anyone remember  'way back when the RCMP in Quebec were going around burning barns so nobody could hold a meeting in one?
Now it's fertilizer.
Maybe the RCMP has a thing about agriculture? Maybe they're still angry because there were horses on the payroll at Camp Petawawa?
I am willing to agree the fertilizer was probably intended for bomb building. They'd never have got it without those who are supposed to stand on guard for thee and me. So whose idea was it?
And even if they started to build a bomb they sound just about skilled and smart enough to blow themselves to hell.
My own take on it is that both CSIS and the RCMP wanted to get in on some of the fun Homeland Security was having below the 49th. You know, the kind of derring-do we see on TV shows like "Cops" and "The Unit" where guys in the throes of testosterone poisoning are racing around in kevlar jackets smashing in the doors of houses, terrorizing little kids in pursuit of an overlooked roach in an ashtray.
What's the use of having all this cool shite if you never get to use it? After all, the musical ride isn't really all that exciting. Riding a white motorbike in a 24 May parade isn't such a high point, especially when people prefer the Shriners on their ittybitty minibikes.
It ain't all it's cracked up to be, y'know. |
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Poor little prosecution. Now they're going after the informant, accusing him of trying to protect the alleged terrorists, and changing his story. Or maybe his story was a bit bogus in the first place?
| Quote: | The prosecution in a high-profile terrorism case accused its own star witness today of deliberately changing some of his testimony to protect the young accused on trial.
The witness, RCMP informant Mubin Shaikh, rejected the suggestion but conceded he didn't believe that a group of Toronto-area teens caught up in the alleged plot to cause horrendous bloodshed in Canada should be prosecuted as terrorists.
"I did see myself as a protector of the vulnerable," Shaikh said under cross-examination by Crown lawyer John Neander.
... The Crown lawyer produced statements Shaikh had made in previous hearings and accused him of "inconsistencies" in three key areas of his testimony. |
Toronto Star. Go read the article, it's pretty hilarious. They apparently weren't cleaning up the so-called training camp to hide evidence, but rather to protect the environment and animals. 
Unravelling more and more every day. |
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Hah! That prosecution is going down the tubes faster and faster each day. The prosecution won't want to but Shaikh on the stand in any of the other trials, and without his original story they will never get anywhere near a conviction.
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But but ... they are still terrorists!!
Well according to the stupidity of the Globe and Mail. As long as they are willing to pay and give space to Christie Blatchford the paper represents to me the utmost in stupidity, no matter how many books they review.
Just the title of her latest "article" should be enough:
"Dopes or dupes, they still looked up to al-Qaeda"
Oh, good thing we have anti-terror legislation eh? And newspapers that print convictions for us. Globe and Mail is a shame of a paper for printing this kind of offensive crap. |
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They looked up to Al Qaeda 'eh?
And I suppose her admiration for the bush II regime isn't problematic at all?
Christie is such a moron.
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Blatchford likes to ignore facts ... whether it's the facts of a Climate Change report, peer reviewed by 1000 of the worlds best scientists, or a terrorist case that is clearly not what it was advertised, there isn't a fact know to humanity that Blatchford can't ignore.
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| This thread came up when I was doing a search for something else. Pretty much dropped off the radar screen, didn't it? I tried to find an update, but a quick search didn't reveal anything since July ... does anyone know what's going on with the hearings/trials/people who are being detained? |
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Wikipedia told me there's a youtube documentary about the story called "unfair dealing."
It's true.
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I can't believe they consider that paint ball outing to be a terrorist activity or major plot. Maybe Harper will get to sentence this guy as an adult once he gets his majority.
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I suspect there will be an appeal.
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| Hephaestion wrote: | | I suspect there will be an appeal. |
I suspect your suspicions are well grounded. Down at the bottom of the article,
| Quote: | Canadian prosecutors said they would not comment further on the verdict because it was subject to appeal.
"Although the Court has found the accused guilty, the matter has not yet been completed, as the Court will hear an application by the accused in December, seeking a stay of proceedings for an alleged abuse of process," the statement said. |
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There's so much that was ludicrous about that case that I wonder what went into that verdict.
The whole "plot" to behead the PM was beyond laughable. Even if they were sincere, they wouldn't have been dangerous. No more than those four guys in the US who planned to take out a military base by posing as pizza delivery guys.
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| What's really scary to me is a report that to the effect that the judge was absolutely convinced that a deadly act of terrorism was a foot. Where do your judges come from and how do they find their bench? |
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| Even when the star witness says things like "he knew nothing of the plot"... so what was the basis of the evidence? Hmmm.... |
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Well, you can read about this Justice Sproat's appointment here:
| Quote: | John R. Sproat of Toronto is appointed a judge of the Superior Court of Justice, and will be assigned to Brampton by the Chief Justice. He replaces the late Madam Justice M.L. Caswell.
Mr. Justice Sproat received a Bachelor of Laws from the University of Western Ontario in 1976 and a Masters of Laws from Harvard Law School in 1978. He was admitted to the Law Society of Upper Canada in 1979.
Prior to his appointment, Mr. Justice Sproat was with the firm Miller Thomson LLP where he had been since his call to the Bar. He sat as a Member of the National Executive Committee of the firm and practised primarily in commercial litigation with emphasis on employment law.
Mr. Justice Sproat is a member of the Canadian Bar Association, The Advocates Society and the Osgoode Society for Canadian Legal History. He is a frequent lecturer and the author of several publications. |
Yes, I know I saved you the trouble. I wonder what this guy's record as a judge is.
This thing has seemed like such a farce to me from the beginning. Political propaganda to keep people scared and stupid. This decision either points to more convincing stuff we aren't aware of, or sheer stupidity and/or cynicism. Either way it's ominous.
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From the CBC. This is an incredibly murky affair. The whole thing sounds so contrived: "Behead the PM" indeed.
I recall Alison at Creekside's description of it and I worry about civil liberties in this country.
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Third guilty plea in Toronto 18 terror case is 'right thing to do,' lawyer says
| Quote: | A young man was "duped" into being part of a terrorist plot to bomb Canadian targets and had virtually no knowledge of the scale of the plan, a lawyer said Monday about his client who nonetheless pleaded guilty to terrorism offences.
Saad Gaya, 21, pleaded guilty to intending to cause an explosion for the benefit of a terrorist group. He was among 18 men and youths rounded up in 2006 and charged in a plot to wreak havoc on several targets, including Parliament and RCMP headquarters.
He is now the third member of the so-called Toronto 18 to plead guilty.
Gaya pleaded guilty because "it's the right thing to do," his lawyer Paul Slansky said outside court. Slansky described Gaya as a relatively minor member of the bomb plot who has expressed remorse to him.
"To some extent he was duped," Slansky said. "Certain people had certain plans that were not communicated to Mr. Gaya and Mr. Gaya will be taking the position that he did not know their plans. He in fact had asked for assurances that there would not be harm to people." |
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Sounds to me like some coercion is taking place. Seems like the feds are doing everything they can to avoid egg on their face.
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Toronto 18 co-leader pleads guilty in plot to carry out terror attacks in Canada
| Quote: | One of the ringleaders of the so-called Toronto 18 has pleaded guilty in a plot to carry out terrorist attacks on Canadian targets.
A Brampton, Ont., court is hearing Zakaria Amara played a leadership role in staging a terrorist training camp and in planning three, one-tonne vehicle bombs to be detonated in downtown Toronto and other locations.
The 24-year-old pleaded guilty to two counts - knowingly participating in a terrorist group and intending to cause an explosion for the benefit of a terrorist group.
Justice Bruce Durno entered convictions against Amara on those two counts before proceeding to sentencing.
An agreed statement of facts is now being read into the court record.... |
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Hephaestion
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"Star witness" paid millions by cops
| Quote: | ... Shaher Elsohemy, a friend of Abdelhaleem who was paid $4.1 million to become an RCMP agent, testified that at a meeting on April 8, 2006, Zakaria Amara revealed his plan to wreak havoc by setting off three truck bombs.
Elsohemy told the court that Amara, who pleaded guilty to his leadership role in the plot in October, "specifically asked for our help... with respect to acquiring the chemicals."
Elsohemy is the Crown's star witness, a paid police agent who posed as a co-conspirator. The RCMP paid him more than $4 million, an amount Abdelhaleem's lawyer indicated he may raise in court.
"A $4.1-million payoff for this is pretty steep," William Naylor said outside court. "It's unprecedented in Canada as far as I understand." Naylor suggested Elsohemy was more interested in the money than in seeking out the truth. |
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Hephaestion
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Toronto 18 conspirator sentenced to 12 years in prison
| Quote: | | A man accused of being one of the conspirators in the 'Toronto 18' terrorist bomb plot at first challenged the 'Islamic correctness' of such acts of terrorism but became excited at the prospect of profiting financially from them, court was told Monday.The Canadian Press - BRAMPTON, Ont. - Toronto 18 terrorist Saad Gaya was sentenced Monday to 12 years in prison, minus seven-and-a-half years credit for pre-trial custody. |
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bshmr
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Note the source as I don't recall seeing this elsewhere.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/08/20108420318101.h...
Canadian judge frees 'al-Qaeda' man
Wednesday, August 04, 2010; 23:57 Mecca time, 20:57 GMT
| Quote: | A Canadian man indicted in the United States on terrorism charges has been freed from jail after a Canadian judge refused to extradite him.
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sandy47
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Location: London, ON.
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from the article...
| Quote: | | "I think this is going to be a new beginning for me in life," Khadr said after the ruling. "I just want to start anew now." |
He better spend his new life looking over his shoulder and peeking around corners. The various US "justice" agencies don't - and won't - let a little thing like an international border stand between them and someone they want to drag back into the loving arms of Uncle Sam - or worse. After all, according to Barry the O, all he has to do is give the word, and you're dead. I believe him.
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Maestro
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Crown’s star witness in Toronto 18 trial named to U.S. as conspirator
| Quote: | Mubin Shaikh stared at his own name on the neat, impersonal column of names, birthdates and birthplaces on the secret American cable and blinked. Hard.
"My life is screwed forever," he said. "That's pretty much what it means. That means my life, my children, my family members. They're all screwed."
...Along with Shaikh, the secret cable, provided to CBC News by WikiLeaks, names all the people originally arrested in the infamous Toronto 18 case in 2006, some of whom went on to prison on terrorism-related charges.
Shaikh knows the other names on the list well. He was the man who put them away.
...Shaikh became an official, paid agent of the Crown and continued his undercover work for the RCMP, until they rounded up and charged the 18 alleged conspirators.
At that point, Shaikh became the Crown's star witness, testifying in five different criminal proceedings that sent several people to prison.
...Officially, CSIS has nothing to say about how its own operative was denounced to American authorities.
"We aren't commenting on your story," wrote CSIS public relations person Isabelle Scott in an email. "DFAIT [Canada's Foreign Affairs Ministry] can respond to your questions."
The story, however, has nothing to do with Foreign Affairs and everything to do with CSIS, which had claimed to CBC News earlier this week that it was a careful, responsible steward of information about Canadians.
...Croft Michaelson, the federal prosecutor who relied on Shaikh as his main witness, did not return calls, once one of his subordinates was informed about Shaikh's inclusion on the list.
...His date of birth, Sept. 29, 1975, is accurately logged in the secret American cable. But the cable then states that while he is a Canadian citizen, he was born in India.
In fact, Mubin Shaikh was born at St. Michael's Hospital, in Toronto.
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There's not much one can say about this. CSIS is a misbegotten creation which should be disbanded tomorrow, and the higher-ups charged with the various crimes they've committed in the past, such as aiding and abetting the USA in sending Mahar Arar to torture in Syria.
They might also want to re-open the Toronto 18 file and see how much of what the prosecution presented as evidence was just outright bullshit.
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thwap
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[sarcasm racist CSIS stooge]Well, ... he WAS associating with convicted terrorists! What's up with that? And, he has a funny name, ... which I SUSPECT is of Middle-East origins.
Where there's smoke ... [/sarcasm racist CSIS stooge]
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Rufus Polson
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| I must say I'm not dripping with sympathy. Lie down with CSIS, expect to get fleas. |
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sparqui
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:31 am Post subject: |
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The whole case against the 18 smelt of entrapment. This newest twist seems to suggest maybe more snitch than operative. All in all, too much like the kind of justice we see in the US of A.
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