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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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George who?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. It's a really good book dealing with the new shock and awe capitalism which has become predominant over the past 40 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been reading a box of stuff sent me by the Druids...been wanting to know more-more-more for a long time, finally saved up enough $$ to send off for some material...pricey but might be interesting...so far it seems very new age-ish... A few years ago I did a similar thing with the Rosicrusians... my problem is I have real trouble taking seriously any kind of "ritual", it all seems so contrived and...well, I don't want to use the word "silly" but...yeah, silly.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reading the Yiddish Policeman's Union by Michael Chabon. The premise is that Israel's UDI is unsuccessful in 1948 and they lose the subsequent war. The US provides in 1940 a territory in Alaska for 60 years as a Jewish homeland. The land is two months away from reverting to the State of Alaska. The main character is a homicide detective who is currently trying to solve the murder of a very good chessplayer turned drug addict who went by the nom de jeu of Emmanuel Lasker. Very much in the Noir tradition.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just finished

Victoria Glendinning's Swift bio

another Swift biography by the irascible A. L. Rowse

and

Diane Purkiss's The English Civil War

I'll talk about 'em when I feel like it. (Don't know why i feel tired allofasudden.)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

al-Qa'bong wrote:
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Title is a joke on George Grant's Lament for a Nation


George who?


Huh? "Grant".
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reading The King's Gambit by Paul Hoffman. All about the wild and wooly world of chess.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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al-Qa'bong wrote:
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Title is a joke on George Grant's Lament for a Nation


George who?


Huh? "Grant".


Gotcha!

(google my "location")
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did indeed "gotcha" me. Smile Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel a bit guilty about setting you up like that, buddy.

Anyway, I like George Grant's writing a lot. If you like Lament for a Nation, check out Technology and Empire, if you can find it. I found a copy in a used book store 15 or so years ago, but haven't seen one since.

Another reason I like Grant is the result I got when I wrote a senior-level paper about his ideas on Canadian nationalism when I did my PoliSci degree. We were supposed to write 20 pages. I wrote ten, and still got an "A." That's when I learned the value of an efficient writing style.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

S'all right. Isn't "Technology and Empire" by Innis? (I could google it, but I thought I'd discuss.)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Wheel of Time series, Book Six. Damn addictive... mutter, mutter, grump...
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I have just finished rereading "Bushwhacked: Life in George W. Bush's America" by the late, great, Molly Ivins and by Lou Dubose. It was written in 2003, and already it was scary what Bush was trying to do. I hope somebody will write a book like that about the Harpokons, but I am not hopeful.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Wheel of Time series, Book Six. Damn addictive... mutter, mutter, grump...


Man, I gave up on that stuff. Uh, has anything in particular happened since around the fourth book? I mean, aside from all the characters backbiting and humiliating one another some more?

The best pure moderately-epic fantasy I've seen in the last while has been the series by Greg Keyes, "The Briar King", "The Charnel Prince", and "The Blood Knight" (with the fourth, concluding book supposed to be out soon). Great books. They have things Robert Jordan may have heard of vaguely but decided against years ago. Things like "pace". Things like characters with distinct personalities, who nonetheless are mostly genuinely nice people (well, the good guys). The plot moves fast, the setting is pretty well realized, people from different backgrounds think differently and approach situations differently, the bad craziness is bad and chilling, and the writing is good and fairly tight. It has ideas and heart, but it also has good craftsmanship.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh... it's something to while away the time until George R. R. Martin's next book in "The Game of Thrones" series comes out -- now that is a awesome series! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rufus Polson wrote:
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The Wheel of Time series, Book Six. Damn addictive... mutter, mutter, grump...


Man, I gave up on that stuff. Uh, has anything in particular happened since around the fourth book? I mean, aside from all the characters backbiting and humiliating one another some more?


I LOVE that series! Tons of things have happened since then. Most of the series, as it happens. That, and the untimely passing of the author before he finished the series.
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Has anyone else here read Guy Gavriel Kay's stuff? I love his books, but particularly his later ones.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has anyone else here read Guy Gavriel Kay's stuff? I love his books, but particularly his later ones.

Are you kidding? Lions of Al Rassan is amazing, but nothing beats Tigana. Mr. Green

Sorry, fairly rabid fan here. Have to say the viking one didn't do much for me, though, and I haven't made up my mind about the latest.
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Has anyone else here read Guy Gavriel Kay's stuff? I love his books, but particularly his later ones.

Are you kidding? Lions of Al Rassan is amazing, but nothing beats Tigana. Mr. Green

Sorry, fairly rabid fan here. Have to say the viking one didn't do much for me, though, and I haven't made up my mind about the latest.

My particular favourites are Sailing to Sarantium and Lord of Emperors. I love the character development in those books, and the incredibly poignancy of the emotions. That said, I do really like Tigana (and just reread it recently). The Lions of al-Rasan is also fantastic, and inspired me to learn more about Spain during the Islamic period.

I think I like best his books that are historical fantasy (by which I mean they are like historical fiction, but set in his fantasy world). I also very much like the fact that all of the books (except the Fionavar Tapestry series) take place in the same world (the two moons, one white and one blue being the clue). The ones I have in mind in the category of historical fantasy are: Lions of al-Rasan, Sailing to Sarantium, Lord of Emperors, the Last Light of the Sun and (kind-of) Ysabel. I wasn't crazy about Ysabel, but I liked all the others in that category.

I think my least favourite of his books is A Song for Arbonne. I couldn't really say why, but I just don't like it all that much.
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Bait and Switch by Barbara Erenreich.

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Bait and Switch highlights the people who’ve done everything right -- gotten college degrees, developed marketable skills, and built up impressive résumés -- yet have become repeatedly vulnerable to financial disaster, and not simply due to the vagaries of the business cycle. Today’s ultra-lean corporations take pride in shedding their “surplus” employees -- plunging them, for months or years at a stretch, into the twilight zone of white-collar unemployment, where job searching becomes a full-time job in itself. As Ehrenreich discovers, there are few social supports for these newly disposable workers -- and little security even for those who have jobs.

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Sounds like a good one thwap.
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It's a pretty brisk read. So far, she's encountering these parasites in the form of humans called "employment coaches." You shell out hundreds (and then they hope thousands) of dollars to perfect your resume-ay, and then work on you presentability, self-confidence, and etc., ... and these "coaches" are all living in modest middle-class homes, showing that they're just one step above the entry-level corporate positions they claim they can get their clients into with ease.

But the sick thing is that some of them (almost all) foist bullshit new-age drivel to cover the banality of their advice, and have perfected ways to expose the weaknesses of a vulnerable, self-doubting, low self-eseteem down-sized middle-aged former corporate type and make them cry in front of a group and reduce them to a state of dependency on their "coaches."

All to string them along for more money.
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Yes, it sounds rather vile. And they are teaching job-seekers to deny prejudices that really exist (ageism, women with "gaps" in cvs due to childbearing, laid-off workers as "losers" etc).
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I love Barbara Ehrenreich. Hadn't picked up Bait and Switch yet, so thanks for the recommendation thwap!

TS, I'm not surprised you like the Sarantine Mosaic, being a classicist and all. It was good, but I liked the other two better. I think Kay is usually credited with inventing the subgenre of historical fantasy, isn't he? As someone who loves both, it's a grand combo.
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TS, I'm not surprised you like the Sarantine Mosaic, being a classicist and all. It was good, but I liked the other two better. I think Kay is usually credited with inventing the subgenre of historical fantasy, isn't he? As someone who loves both, it's a grand combo.

Being a classicist is part of why I like the Sarantine Mosaic, but there is also the mystery of not quite knowing the history, because my education really covered up to 476 CE, and I believe Justinian the Great ruled in the 600s.

I don't know if you know Kay's website, but it is pretty good. You can check it out here. They have a bunch of interviews with Kay that I have found really enlightening for understanding the angle he is coming from.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rufus Polson wrote:
Hephaestion wrote:
The Wheel of Time series, Book Six. Damn addictive... mutter, mutter, grump...


Man, I gave up on that stuff. Uh, has anything in particular happened since around the fourth book? I mean, aside from all the characters backbiting and humiliating one another some more?


Slowly, slowly... but I swear, I'm getting *more* than a little weary of reading about braids being tugged in anger, dresses being smoothed as a way to cover up confusion, embarrassment, frustration, etc. every third page, and so on. (Not to mention stock phrases like "eyes that could split rock", etc.)

Raos wrote:
I LOVE that series! Tons of things have happened since then. Most of the series, as it happens. That, and the untimely passing of the author before he finished the series.


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You're halfway through the twelve books -- congrats. One glass-half-full point I could make is that Mr. Jorden has died. Yup. Earlier this year. He was seriously ill, and it was not entirely unexpected. He said he would keep writing until they hammered his coffin shut and, after a fashion, he did.

I'm kind of concerned about the last book though... he didn't actually finish it. My recollection is that someone is going to do that for him. That could be a good thing, or not. It will be nice to know how the tale ends though. We shall have to keep in mind that, should it suck, Mr. Jordan is not entirely to blame. After all, I get the impression he did not ask to die. But yeah... dead. The series has an end. This means that... eventually... you will have read them all and there won't be any new ones sprouting up.


Well, I'm currently on Book Seven -- I have all the way up to Book Eight at the moment -- and I gotta say, I ain't gonna go out of my way to *buy* the last four books in the series -- maybe I can find them in the library, or something.

PS, to Tehanu and TS, re: "historical fantasy" -- this isn't so much historical fantasy as it is historical fiction, but you might be interested in Gore Vidal's book, "Creation" -- it's one'a my faves by Vidal, and one that I will still dig out every few years to re-read just 'coz I enjoyed it so much.
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I'm about to tuck into Absurdistan.

Supposedly it's awesome ...

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I finished Amin Maalouf's The First Century After Beatrice, then started Audie Murphy's To Hell and Back, when the library called, saying my request for The Israel Lobby went through and that it was waiting for me. I have three weeks to read it because it's on a waiting list.

I can't believe anyone could have accused the authors of antisemitism or being anti-Israeli. I keep seeing an anti-Arab bias in the book.
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I'm very slowly making my way through The Key To Sustainable Cities by Gwendolyn Hallsmith. I must admit though, it has me thoroughly confused. She goes from upholding 'idyllic-small-town America as the paragon of healthy, sustainable virtue thanks to good old American freedom, small government, low taxes, and the best darned democracy imaginable' compared to (and I paraphrase) 'those post-communist rural shit-holes where they raise sheep for a living and don't have our access to consumer goods' to offhandedly mentioning that American capitalist consumer culture is the cause of unsustainable living, the rising prosperity gap and ever falling health and happiness in the face of rising affluence so fast it would make your head spin.

I mean, she actually says that government influence is to be avoided whenever possible because it undermines communities, especially when it provides social funding. And at another point says the whole capitalist system is to blame, and things won't get better until the whole system is restructured. I just don't know what to think about the book.
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Sounds ta me like you know exactly what to think about the book. Specifically, you think it's incoherent.
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I'm just started reading "Sarah's Children" by our own lovely and talented Anne Cameron... I have it on good authority that it'll make me cry. I love a good cry.
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I have just started reading Lawyers Gone Bad: Money, Sex and Madness in the Legal Profession by Philip Slayton.
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I just finished To Hell and Back by Audie Murphy. It is surprisingly well-written. He does a good job of showing how war dehumanizes soldiers, which leaves me wondering why he went on to do so many war movies in Hollywood.
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I just finished To Hell and Back by Audie Murphy. It is surprisingly well-written. He does a good job of showing how war dehumanizes soldiers, which leaves me wondering why he went on to do so many war movies in Hollywood.


mebbe he was dehumanized and therefore willing to profit from it the only way he knew how and damn the consequences?

I'm reading the 25th anniversary edition of Orientalism by Edward Said and Why the Allies Won by Richard Overy.

I bought the latter book because I'd always neglected military history as being the subject of armchair generals warrior wannabes, but it's important stuff, ... and because the book says it'll get into issues of economics and technology, not just decisive battles.
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The Dark Elf Trilogy by R.A. Salvatore (being the tale of Drizzt Do'Urden, and comprising the books Homeland, Exile and Sojourn). Excellent yarn, and a cut above a lot of fantasy tales.
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It has always amazed me the number of book series that were spun off of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (including Dark Elf). I wonder if anyone has done an academic study of the phenomenon.
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I loved the Dark Elf Trilogy! Have you read or are you planning on reading the Icewind Dale Trilogy, Heph?
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Not yet...
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I am currently reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. It's a really good book dealing with the new shock and awe capitalism which has become predominant over the past 40 years.


I had heard some interviews with Naomi Klein and read a few reviews...I finally bought the book this week and have read the first few chapters.

All I can say is "READ THIS BOOK!"

She interviews a survivor of the infamous CIA "mind control" experiments of the 1950's at McGill University. As an exercise in "mind control" the experiments were a flop...but...the information gained was in fact used by the CIA in their torture training schools.

During the "dirty war" in Argentina, apparently the Ford plant had it's very own onsite torture chamber.

What's often not talked about during the coup's in Chile, Argentina etc. is that the fascists immediately roamed through the industrial districts rounding up trade union activists.

All of course to implement Milton Friedman's "capitalist nirvanha".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of course to implement Milton Friedman's "capitalist nirvanha".


I thought it was Ralph Klein's "capitalist nirvanha". Wink
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In the Eye of the Sun by Ahdaf Soueif

Been working on it for a month now, and I'm not even halfway through Sad I wish I had more time to read it, because it's been very good so far.
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I thought it was Ralph Klein's "capitalist nirvanha".


True enough Wink

But Klein (Naomi!) does an excellent job in this book of "connecting the dots" on events in parts of the world that we perhaps weren't previously aware of...even in the "non" MSM.

Another example...Milton Friedman visited Deng Xiao Ping in Beijing just prior to the massacre at Tienanmen Square to provide "advice" to the Chinese government on their so-called "economic reforms" (turning China into a manufacturing sweatshop for multinationals).

Much is made of the student protesters demand for democracy, but what isn't talked about is their protests against the rampant corruption created by the neo-liberal reforms implemented by Deng...and like Chile and Argentina, their raids on factories and roundups of "troublemakers" after Tienanmen.
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Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden, edited by Bruce Lawrence.

This is a collection of public statements, written, taped and telivised, that goes back to the mid-1990s, when Osama warned the USA to stop meddling in the Middle East, to get out of Arabia, and to stop supporting the Zionists in Palestine.

He justifies his violence by saying it is retaliation for decades of violence against the umma by the US, Britain and Israel. His arguments sound quite rational, and he cites sources (in spoken word and in writing) as well as any academic. He dismisses accusations that he is a terrorist by calling his accusers, who have for example killed a million Iraqi children (before Dubya was even elected), hypocrites.
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They are certainly hypocrites, and terrorists in their own right, but it doesn't make bin Laden any less a terrorist himself.
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They are certainly hypocrites, and terrorists in their own right, but it doesn't make bin Laden any less a terrorist himself.


If he could subvert the armies of nations to his ends would he be a 'warrior king', 'war president', 'just knight of a PM', or 'tyrant'? It seems to me he is most often labelled 'terrorist' because he lacks what makes the others 'tyrants'.
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Did you not see the part where I said that Bush, Harper, Blair and Co are also terrorists?
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They are certainly hypocrites, and terrorists in their own right, but it doesn't make bin Laden any less a terrorist himself.


Bin Laden does make a distinction between the bad terrorism of the Jews and Crusaders, and his terrorism, which is part of a defensive jihad against those who have been attacking Muslims since the 14-18 war.
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re: The Shock Doctrine... Tehanu gave that to me for Christmas, and I haven't tackled it yet... maybe when it's not so dreary outside and I'm not feeling so down. However, I finished 2 of Anne Cameron's books recently and LOVED them. I'm going to go on a hunt for some more of her writing...
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I am reading yet another book on research methods! Yay for me (not).
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@ Cartman...
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