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West Coast Tiger
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Poison plot investigation breakthrough
| Quote: | Police have identified the man they believe poisoned Alexander Litvinenko. The suspected killer was captured on cameras at Heathrow as he flew into Britain to carry out the murder.
Friends of the ex-spy say that the man was a hired killer, sent by the Kremlin, who vanished hours after administering a deadly dose of radioactive polonium-210 to Litvinenko.
He arrived in London on a forged EU passport and reportedly slipped the poison into a cup of tea he made for Litvinenko in a London hotel room. Litvinenko was reportedly able to give vital details of his suspected killer in a bedside interview with detectives just days before he died on November 23 at University College Hospital.
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More at the link.
Meanwhile...
Film-maker fears returning to Russia
| Quote: | A Russian documentary-maker and friend of Alexander Litvinenko, said yesterday that he feared for his safety after being warned “not to make anti-Russian films”.
Andrei Nekrasov, who has just finished a documentary for BBC2, on the Litvinenko murder, said that relatives in Russia had received the threat this week from “an old friend”.
“I am concerned for my safety,” he told The Times. “I do not know if it is safe for me to return to my home in St Petersburg.”
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And the end this article goes like this:
| Quote: | Hollywood studios are in a race to bring out the first film on the murder of Alexander Litvinenko. Michael Mann, who was behind Miami Vice and The Aviator, and Columbia Pictures offered $1.5 million for the rights to Death of a Dissident — written by the agent’s widow, Marina.
They face competition from Johnny Depp’s company who want to film Sasha’s Story: The Life and Death of a Russian Dissident, written by Alan Cowell, the New York Times London bureau chief. A third film Blowing Up Russia is being developed by the Beverley Hills-based Braun Entertainment Group. and is a spy thriller based on Litvinenko’s own book alleging that President Putin ordered his agents to blow up apartment blocks in Moscow and blame it on Chechen separatists.
Kremlin officials have let it be known they will take steps to ban all three productions from being seen in Russia.
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My emphasis in bold.
What a surprise. Not.
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Maestro
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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From the story posted:
| Quote: | | Police have decided not to publish pictures of this man, who was seen on CCTV cameras as he flew in from Hamburg on November 1, the day that Litvinenko fell ill. |
If indeed he 'flew in on the day Litvinenko fell ill' he can't be the culprit. As I've posted before, Polonium-210 symptoms don't show up for several days, into weeks, after ingestion. It is not possible that Polonium ingested on Nov. 1 would produce symptoms the same day.
There are further details given in this story that affect it's credibility:
| Quote: | Mr Gordievsky told The Times yesterday how “Vladislav was described as someone who could help Mr Litvinenko win a lucrative contract with a Moscow-based private security company.
“Sasha (his name for Litvinenko) remembered the man making him a cup of tea.
“His belief is that the water from the kettle was only lukewarm and that the polonium-210 was added, which heated the drink through radiation so he had a hot cup of tea. The poison would have showed up in a cold drink,” he added. |
It is true that a relatively small amount of Polonium-210 produces heat, but it also produces a distinct blue glow. It's also true that given it only takes a microgram or so to kill someone, that amount would not show up in a cold drink.
Note how this story first off describes another meeting taking place, a meeting that was not included in the timeline until now.
Then there is the weird story of the 'culprit' making a cup of tea for Litvinenko while not doing so for others at the same meeting. After all, of the kettle was indeed 'lukewarm', and it was the Polonium that was used to heat it, others given tea from that kettle surely notice their tea was tepid, while Litvinenko's was steaming.
Worthwhile to remember that Litvinenko first blamed Scaramella for poisoning him, and Scaramella's alibi was that he wasn't carrying any traces of Polonium-210. Later, when Litvinenko's doctors were removed from the case, and the finger was pointed at Putin, Scaramella changed his story and said he has also been given a fatal dose.
He checked himself into hospital, and was there a week before they threw him out after he exhibited no symtoms, whereupon he returned to Italy, and was arrested at the airport.
At the same time, the results of the Litvinenko autopsy have not yet been released. That autopsy took place on Dec. 1/ 06, so one would think they would have arrived at some conclusion by now.
The only think we know for sure is that almost all of those connected to Litvinenko are fantasists. They have all told stories that are demonstrably untrue. Even Litvinenko's brother admitted that his (Litvinenko's) testimony to the Italian 'Mitrohkin Commision' was not true, and he only gave it after much pressure, and cash payments, from Scaramella.
So now the friends of Litvinenko have invented a mysterious stranger, whom the police are not naming, who has a passing resemblance to someone who went through a UK airport, who had just enough Polonium-210 to heat up a cup of tea, not too hot and not too cold, and who then vanished.
This story is not believeable.
As far as Russia not allowing movies showing Putin as the mastermind behind blowing up Moscow apartments, that at least is very reasonable. Given that it is most likely libellous, it would be relatively easy to obtain an injunction.
Or to put it another way, while many in the US believe George Bush to behind 9/11, no one is making a movie accusing him of such, and it's doubtful such a movie, if made, would run in cinemas across the US.
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Maestro
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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They keep trying to push back the date of the 'poisoning' because the initial story was an obvious lie. The original story had Litvinenko experiencing symptoms on the same day he was supposedly poisoned, when in fact those symptoms would not have shown up for at least several days, into weeks.
Meanwhile, still no autopsy results from the autopsy conducted last December. Lately there has been another change in the story, with some writers blaming Thalium as the poison used, and others still sticking to the polonium.
I personally favour thalium because the symptoms were very much like well-known radiation symptoms, whereas polonium is a different type of radiation, and wouldn't necessarily have those 'radiation' type symptoms.
However, since the one 'clue' they have is the trailing of a polonium all over Europe, they pretty much have to stick to polonium. If in fact the poison was Thalium, the whole story would go in the garbage immediately.
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Tehanu
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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The Brits and the Russians are getting pissy.
| Quote: | MOSCOW — Russia vowed a “targeted and appropriate” response Tuesday to Britain's expulsion of four diplomats in a mounting confrontation over the radiation poisoning death of a former KGB officer.
Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko criticized Britain for demanding the extradition of the key suspect in the killing of Alexander Litvinenko, emphasizing that Russia's constitution forbids it.
It also urged other European countries not to gang up against the Kremlin.
The dispute could derail recent efforts to ease increasing tension between Russia and the West, and holds implications for crucial issues like energy security and the nuclear standoff with Iran.
... Britain decided to throw out four diplomats and place restrictions on visas for Russian officials in response to the Kremlin's refusal to hand over Andrei Lugovoi for prosecution the November killing of Mr. Litvinenko in London. |
Globe and Mail. |
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Sibjyn
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| Quote: | RAF fighter jets were scrambled to intercept two Russian strategic bombers heading for British airspace yesterday, as the spirit of the Cold War returned to the North Atlantic once again.
The incident, described as rare by the RAF, served as a telling metaphor for the stand-off between London and Moscow over the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2093759.e... |
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anne cameron
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| More than the jets are scrambled. The brains of the "leaders" are a bit that way, too. |
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Tehanu
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And now Russia is expelling four British diplomats. This sounding quite familiar. Cold War, anyone? Or John le Carré novel?
| Quote: | ... Mikhail Kamynin made the announcement hours after British Ambassador Anthony Brenton was summoned to the ministry in Moscow.
The British ambassador was handed a note "in connection with the unfriendly actions of Britain towards Russia," said Kamynin.
... Kamynin said Thursday that the unidentified British diplomats would have 10 days to leave the country, describing Russia's actions as "targeted, balanced and the minimum necessary."
... Russia will also halt counterterrorism co-operation with Britain, said Kamynin, although the extent to which the two countries worked together is not clear. |
CBC. |
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bshmr
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Where did I read about this? Not in USA media. A google search reveals the 'false scare' isn't news in the 'threatened' country yet (as of this time). Should we watch for the original story to be used to incite something or just assume that the correction and facts will eventually appear on page 4+?
Pump hack 'false alarm' explained
Date:Today 07:06
| Quote: | Claims that a Russia-based attacker destroyed a US water pump appear to have been caused by a contractor logging into the system while on holiday.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/technology-16003138 |
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anne cameron
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the attack on the pump was worrying enough, but my gawd, have you any idea what they did to the bucket brigade?
John le Carre has better plot lines than this. This is more like one of those "robert ludlum tm" novels where writers other than Robert Ludlum write not-very-good novels based on Ludlum characters...one hopes with the knowledge and permission of Ludlum!!
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