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Tehanu
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 Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Anti-abortion news |
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A general thread to track anti-abortion news stories. Since it's good to know what they're up to.
| Quote: | DAVENPORT, Iowa — A man accused of ramming his car into a women’s clinic and then setting his car on fire thought it was an abortion clinic, police said Tuesday.
“He was using his car to torch the building,” Davenport police Detective Mike Bowers said.
David Robert McMenemy, 45, of Sterling Heights is charged with second-degree arson. He’s accused of driving his car into the Edgerton Women’s Health Center about 4:30 a.m. on Monday.
The center does not perform abortions and does not provide abortion referrals, said Tom Fedje, the president of the clinic. He said the clinic does advise pregnant women on the various options available to them. |
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What's wrong with Kansas? Guys like this, and people who vote for him...
| Quote: | GQ magazine declared he would do anything to stop abortion and called him the future of the anti-abortion movement. Planned Parenthood put him on a list of 15 Americans it saw as major threats to abortion rights.
Attorney General Phill Kline is frustrated that, as he seeks a second term, the national attention he has received for fighting abortion and championing conservative causes may overshadow his crime-fighting and other activities.
That has come to the forefront since a campaign memo he wrote in August, outlining an aggressive plan to court conservative Christians, was leaked anonymously to reporters. Kline's memo discussed political receptions held after services, directing his staff to get friendly pastors to invite "money people."
Democratic challenger Paul Morrison, the Johnson County district attorney, already was suggesting that Kline was pursuing a narrow, personal agenda as attorney general and has called Kline's memo cynical.
While Kline and his supporters believe he has received unwarranted attention for the memo, saying it demonstrates the tendency of news organizations to focus on his social views, it is those issues -- particularly abortion -- that have put Kline on the national stage."To a certain extent, he has sought out national attention," said Bob Beatty, a Washburn University political scientist. "When GQ wants to do an article and asks to take your picture, you can say no."
Kline has received perhaps the most attention for a nearly three-year legal battle with two abortion clinics to obtain information from patient medical records. GQ profiled him in November; critics still contend he's on a fishing expedition that invades patient privacy, and Morrison has promised publicly to drop the battle.
Still pending is a federal lawsuit filed over Kline's legal opinion that health care providers and others are required under state law to report underage sex between consenting adolescents as potential evidence of abuse. A federal judge ruled otherwise, and Kline appealed.
Kline also supported the amendment to the state constitution banning gay marriage, and he defended a law that allowed the state to punish illegal sex involving minors far more harshly if the participants are of the same sex, until the Kansas Supreme Court struck it down last year.
Also last year, Kline told some State Board of Education members that he would defend them in court if the board ordered stickers placed in science textbooks saying evolution is theory, not fact. The board didn't pursue it.
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Supporters contend some of Kline's accomplishments have been forgotten.
In 2003, he intervened when the nonprofit Health Midwest hospital system was being sold to the for profit HCA Inc. Twenty percent of the assets of that $1 billion-plus sale eventually stayed in Kansas.
He also successfully argued the state's case before the U.S. Supreme Court in defending its capital punishment law. |
So... he didn't actually BLOCK the sale of the non-profit hospital system, and he helped keep the state's ability to put people to death... and these are accomplishments?
Once again I say, all Kansas is apparently good for is a site for a lake of black glass...
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| Quote: | | The center does not perform abortions and does not provide abortion referrals, said Tom Fedje, the president of the clinic. He said the clinic does advise pregnant women on the various options available to them. |
So, the asshole cannot even properly plan how to smash his car into an abortion clinic, but he will probably condemn women for what he thinks is the result of a lack of planning.
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Tehanu
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| Cartman wrote: | | So, the asshole cannot even proprerly plan how to smash his car into an abortion clinic, but he will probably condemn women for what he thinks is the result of a lack of planning. |
Guys like these never seem to be over-endowed in IQ department, do they? |
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A small bit of good news from the USA for a change:
| Quote: | Senate Kills Teen Endangerment Act, Again
Democratic leadership in the Senate blocked the Teen Endangerment Act, officially known as the Child Interstate Abortion Act, late Friday night when Republicans were unable to obtain the 60 votes required to move to a vote. The bill would have criminalized the transportation of a minor across state lines to obtain an abortion by anyone other than the parent or legal guardian, such as a grandparent or sister. It would also have required doctors to contact a parent or legal guardian of out-of-state patients 24 hours before performing an abortion, even if the abortion provider's state did not have parental notification or consent laws. The House version of the Teen Endangerment Act was passed last week. If the bill had passed in the Senate on Friday, it would have become law. President Bush had previously agreed to sign the bill if it had passed in both houses.
"Only 13 percent of US counties have any abortion provider at all, so for many women the closest clinic is in a neighboring state. This bill would have forced many young women into either unwilling motherhood or an unsafe, illegal abortion," said NOW President Kim Gandy in a press release. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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A bill in South Dakota banning all abortions, including cases of rape and incest, except to save the life of the woman, is down to the wire. Enormous amounts of money have been spent. One poll shows that it's trailing by (only!) 9%.
| Quote: | Pierre, SD (LifeNews.com) -- Another new poll concerning the South Dakota abortion ban finds it trailing by 9 percentage points. That's similar to a poll earlier this week which showed the ban, which prohibits abortions in all cases except to save the life of the mother, down 10 percent.
... As every previous poll has shown, the new survey found that voters would be more inclined to support the abortion ban if it included exceptions for rape and incest, with 58 percent saying they would support such a ban and 30 percent saying they would not.
Such exceptions have been a huge part of the South Dakota abortion ban debate as pro-life advocates have been trying to make the case to voters that nothing in the ban prevents women who are raped from taking the morning after pill or seeking medical treatment other than abortion.
... The pro-life campaign reported receiving nearly $2.2 million in donations from June 28 through Oct. 28 while the pro-abortion South Dakota Campaign for Healthy Families raised about $1.8 million during the time period. |
(Note the "pro-abortion/pro-life" language. This was posted on the Lifenews website; normally I'd link to an article location but this site verges on hateful, in my opinion.) |
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| The South Dakota bill failed, whew. |
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| Thank God!!!!!!! |
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| Quote: | | “Triple Setback For Conservatives”...SD Rejects Abortion Ban...AZ Defeats Gay Marriage Ban...MO Backs Stem Cell Research... |
haha suck it up social conservatives. This is great news. America has finally come to her senses. Stevie Harper: take notice you republican copycat!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061108/ap_on_el_st_lo/eln_ballot_measu...
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Hephaestion
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mary123 wrote: | | Quote: | | AZ Defeats Gay Marriage Ban |
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And yet...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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The US Senate just passed a bill banning minors being taken across state lines to circumvent parental notification laws that have been enacted in some states. Sigh. It still needs to be reconciled with an even more draconian House bill before the President can sign it.
| Quote: | ... By a margin of 65 to 34, the Senate passed a bill that would make it a federal crime to transport a pregnant woman under 18 across state lines to circumvent state parental notification laws. The legislation makes an exception for those whose lives are endangered by pregnancy but not for those whose health is in danger.
Thirty-four states have some form of parental consent or notification law, though some of those laws are not enforced because of court battles or actions by state attorneys general, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-choice think tank in New York. If the Senate measure becomes law, notification would essentially be required in all states.
... The bill prohibits parents and other adults from taking a pregnant minor to another state to have an abortion without complying with parental involvement laws in the young woman's home state.
... But the bill first has to win the president's signature. That can happen only after a conference committee session in which House and Senate negotiators hammer out the differences between the Senate bill and a stricter House version that passed last year.
The House bill encompasses the Senate language but also would require doctors to notify out-of-state parents at least 24 hours before performing an abortion or give notice in writing at least 72 hours in advance of the procedure. Those who do not do so could be sued for damages.
... But critics say the measure endangers pregnant young women. If signed into law, the legislation might force young women to involve an abusive parent in their decision-making, deter those who may have to travel longer distances or wait longer periods for abortions, compel minors to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, drive themselves to a clinic or perhaps perform an abortion on themselves.
... During this congressional term, in addition to the parental consent measure, House Republican leaders have pledged to consider a measure that would require women who seek abortions after 20 weeks to acknowledge in writing that the fetus has the capacity to feel pain.
In 2004, President Bush signed into law legislation that criminalized injuries to fetuses that arise from violent offenses. And in 2003, he signed a bill that banned a procedure its opponents call "partial birth" abortion, a law that has the potential to outlaw all abortions performed after the 12th week of pregnancy. |
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Fuck the spineless Democrats.
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The Democrats are totally spineless. They are far from ever achieving full reproductive choice for women. What is truly frightening is that there are many in our society that would like to turn the clock back so that we find ourselves facing similar discussions in Canada.
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Hephaestion
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| Quote: | | Fuck the spineless Democrats. |
Is this a new sentiment, somehow? I say "fuck the spineless "New" Democrats, too. (Pls. note: they aren't ALL spineless...)
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| Hephaestion wrote: | | Quote: | | Fuck the spineless Democrats. |
Is this a new sentiment, somehow? I say "fuck the spineless "New" Democrats, too. (Pls. note: they aren't ALL spineless...) |
No, its not really a new sentiment, just a new reason to express it.
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Seems to be the best place for this:
Kan. AG Worried About Abortion Case File
| Quote: | Kansas' new attorney general said Monday he's concerned that patient records his predecessor gathered in a failed attempt to prosecute a nationally known abortion doctor may have been copied and are not secure.
Former Attorney General Phill Kline, who lost the November election, had appointed a special prosecutor to handle the case against Dr. George Tiller, one of the few doctors in the nation who perform late-term abortions.
Kline's successor, Paul Morrison, said he plans to fire the special prosecutor, a Democrat who has protested outside Tiller's clinic in the past. But he said Kline had already given the man partial records on 60 abortion clinic patients, edited to avoid identifying them.
"I do have concerns about how many copies have been made of that material and who's got possession of them," Morrison said moments after his swearing in. |
more at link.
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In a closed caucus, Johnson County conservatives appointed former Kansas AG Kline to County Prosecutor to fill the remainder of the local term, which was vacated by Morrison who soundly defeated Kline for state AG.
Kline promptly cleaned house, in what looked like a settling of OLD scores, firing experienced, respected persons who had opposed him or had favored opponents. Further evidence that Kline and his supporters are ideological nut-cases. |
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| Quote: | Anti-abortion extremist James Kopp stood trial Tuesday on a charge prosecutors hope will keep him jailed forever, even though the convicted killer is already serving a life sentence for the sniper slaying of an abortion provider.
In a Buffalo courtroom Tuesday, Kopp spoke for about 45 minutes, often rambling about his duty to shoot Dr. Barnett Slepian in Amherst, N.Y., in order to stop the obstetrician from carrying out abortions.
The judge interrupted Kopp several times during his statement, as Kopp had lost his bid earlier to appeal to the jury on the grounds of the so-called "necessity defence" to justify the killing.
Kopp, 52, is defending himself in the federal case against charges he violated the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act in 1998, when he gunned down Dr. Barnett Slepian in Amherst, N.Y.
... In court Tuesday, Kopp asked for mercy from the jury and said he respected the Slepian family, calling the shooting death a "tragedy," as he had merely intended to wound Slepian so the obstetrician could no longer perform abortions.
... Two Ontario Provincial Police officers also attended the trial in Buffalo, as Canadian police are very interested in Kopp as the prime suspect in similar but nonfatal Canadian shootings in the 1990s. Doctors in Vancouver, Ancaster, Ont., and Winnipeg were all wounded in their homes by a sniper under the cover of darkness. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Three for today.
Mississippi has a draconian new bill just signed by the governor that bans abortions as a "what if" Roe v. Wade is overturned.
| Quote: | ... The measure, signed by Gov. Haley Barbour, would ban nearly all abortions in the state if the court were to overturn Roe v. Wade. In that event, anyone performing an illegal abortion in Mississippi would face one to 10 years in prison.
The bill also tightens consent laws for minors and requires abortion providers to perform a sonogram and give the pregnant woman an opportunity to listen to a fetal heartbeat.
The only exceptions to the state ban would be in cases of rape or if the pregnancy threatened the woman's life. The bill has no exception for pregnancies caused by incest. |
NY Times
A Texas legislator is proposing paying women $500 to not have an abortion but rather carry to term and give the baby up for adoption ...
| Quote: | ... Republican State Sen. Dan Patrick, who also is a conservative radio talk show host, said Friday the money might persuade the women to go ahead and have babies, then give them up for adoption.
... Patrick has filed legislation to make the payment state law, but the legislature has not voted on it.
His proposal calls for giving any woman going to an abortion clinic the $500 option, to be paid no more than 30 days after the baby is born and given up for adoption.
Critics say the proposal would violate Texas and federal laws against buying babies, which Patrick rejected as "the typical ridiculous criticism." |
CNN
And in South Carolina, a bill requiring women seeking abortions to view an ultrasound of their pregnancy has advanced in legislature.
| Quote: | COLUMBIA, S.C. Mar 21, 2007 (AP)— With calls of emotional blackmail from opponents, a measure requiring women seeking abortions to first review ultrasound images of their fetuses advanced Wednesday in the South Carolina Legislature.
The legislation, supported by Republican Gov. Mark Sanford, passed 91-23 after lawmakers defeated amendments exempting rape or incest. The House must approve the bill again in a routine vote before it goes to the Senate, where its sponsor expects it to pass with those exemptions.
... The state's three abortion clinics already perform ultrasounds, paid for by the woman seeking the procedure, to determine the fetus' age. The state's informed-consent law, passed in 1994, requires abortion doctors to tell women at least an hour before the operation the likely age of their fetus and give them information about fetal development and alternatives to abortion. |
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For fuck's sakes. |
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| Tehanu wrote: | Mississippi has a draconian new bill just signed by the governor that bans abortions as a "what if" Roe v. Wade is overturned.
| Quote: | ... The measure, signed by Gov. Haley Barbour, would ban nearly all abortions in the state if the court were to overturn Roe v. Wade. In that event, anyone performing an illegal abortion in Mississippi would face one to 10 years in prison.
The bill also tightens consent laws for minors and requires abortion providers to perform a sonogram and give the pregnant woman an opportunity to listen to a fetal heartbeat.
The only exceptions to the state ban would be in cases of rape or if the pregnancy threatened the woman's life. The bill has no exception for pregnancies caused by incest. |
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Here is the text of the new Mississippi abortion law (the State's website will not permit deeplinking to the text):
| Quote: | BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI:
SECTION 1. Section 41-41-55, Mississippi Code of 1972, is amended as follows:
41-41-55. (1) The requirements and procedures under Sections 41-41-51 through 41-41-63 shall apply and are available to minors whether or not they are residents of this state.
(2) The minor may participate in proceedings in the court on her own behalf. The court shall advise her that she has a right to court-appointed counsel and shall provide her with such counsel upon her request or if she is not already adequately represented.
(3) Court proceedings under this section shall be confidential and anonymous and shall be given such precedence over other pending matters as is necessary to insure that the court may reach a decision promptly, but in no case shall the court fail to rule within seventy-two (72) hours of the time the application is filed. If for any reason the court fails to rule within seventy-two (72) hours of the time the application is filed, the minor may proceed as if the consent requirement of Section 41-41-53 has been waived.
(4) Consent shall be waived if the court finds by clear and convincing evidence either:
(a) That the minor is mature and well-informed enough to make the abortion decision on her own; or
(b) That performance of the abortion would be in the best interests of the minor.
(5) A court that conducts proceedings under this section shall issue written and specific factual findings and legal conclusions supporting its decision and shall order that a confidential record of the evidence be maintained.
(6) An expedited confidential and anonymous appeal shall be available to any minor to whom the court denies a waiver of consent. The Mississippi Supreme Court shall issue promptly such rules and regulations as are necessary to insure that proceedings under Sections 41-41-51 through 41-41-63 are handled in an expeditious, confidential and anonymous manner.
(7) No filing fees shall be required of any minor who avails herself of the procedures provided by this section.
SECTION 2. (1) As used in this section, the term "abortion" means the use or prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug or any other substance or device to terminate the pregnancy of a woman known to be pregnant with an intention other than to increase the probability of a live birth, to preserve the life or health of the child after live birth or to remove a dead fetus.
(2) No abortion shall be performed or induced in the State of Mississippi, except in the case where necessary for the preservation of the mother's life or where the pregnancy was caused by rape.
(3) For the purposes of this act, rape shall be an exception to the prohibition for an abortion only if a formal charge of rape has been filed with an appropriate law enforcement official.
(4) Any person, except the pregnant woman, who purposefully, knowingly or recklessly performs or attempts to perform or induce an abortion in the State of Mississippi, except in the case where necessary for the preservation of the mother's life or where the pregnancy was caused by rape, upon conviction, shall be punished by imprisonment in the custody of the Department of Corrections for not less than one (1) year nor more than ten (10) years.
SECTION 3. The provisions of this section shall be codified as Section 41-41-34, Mississippi Code of 1972:
41-41-34. (1) Before the performance of an abortion, as defined in Section 2 of this act, the physician who is to perform the abortion, or a qualified person assisting the physician, shall:
(a) Perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion;
(b) Offer to provide the patient with an opportunity to view the active ultrasound image of the unborn child and hear the heartbeat of the unborn child if the heartbeat is audible;
(c) Offer to provide the patient with a physical picture of the ultrasound image of the unborn child;
(d) Obtain the patient's signature on a certification form stating that the patient has been given the opportunity to view the active ultrasound image and hear the heartbeat of the unborn child if the heartbeat is audible, and that she has been offered a physical picture of the ultrasound image; and
(e) Retain a copy of the signed certification form in the patient's medical record.
(2) The State Department of Health shall enforce the requirements of this section.
(3) An ultrasound image must be of a quality consistent with standard medical practice in the community, shall contain the dimensions of the unborn child and shall accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs, if present or viewable, of the unborn child.
SECTION 4. At such time as the Attorney General of Mississippi determines that the United States Supreme Court has overruled the decision of Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), and that as a result, it is reasonably probable that Section 2 of this act would be upheld by the court as constitutional, the Attorney General shall publish his determination of that fact in the administrative bulletin published by the Secretary of State as provided in Section 25-43-2.101, Mississippi Code of 1972.
SECTION 5. (1) If any provision of this act is found to be unconstitutional, the provision is severable; and the other provisions of this act remain effective, except as provided in other sections of this act.
(2) Nothing in this act may be construed to repeal, by implication or otherwise, any provision not explicitly repealed.
(3) If any provision of this act is ever declared unconstitutional or its enforcement temporarily or permanently restricted or enjoined by judicial order, the provisions of Sections 41-41-31 through 41-41-91, Mississippi Code of 1972, shall be enforced. However, if such temporary or permanent restraining order or injunction is subsequently stayed or dissolved or such declaration vacated or any similar court order otherwise ceases to have effect, all provisions of this act that are not declared unconstitutional or whose enforcement is not restrained shall have full force and effect.
(4) Nothing in the provisions of Sections 41-41-31 through 41-41-91, Mississippi Code of 1972, shall be construed to permit any action that is prohibited by Senate Bill No. 2391, 2007 Regular Session, and to the extent that any provision of Sections 41-41-31 through 41-41-91, Mississippi Code of 1972, would be so construed, then the provisions of Senate Bill No. 2391, 2007 Regular Session, shall take precedence.
SECTION 6. Sections 1, 3, 4 and 5 of this act shall take effect from and after July 1, 2007. Section 2 of this act shall take effect and be in force from and after ten (10) days following the date of publication by the Attorney General of Mississippi in the administrative bulletin published by the Secretary of State as provided in Section 25-43-2.101, Mississippi Code of 1972, that the Attorney General has determined that the United States Supreme Court has overruled the decision of Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), and that it is reasonably probable that Section 2 of this act would be upheld by the court as constitutional. |
This is what happens when social conservatives and the religious right go unchallenged. |
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| Sifo-Dyas wrote: | | This is what happens when social conservatives and the religious right go unchallenged. |
Absolutely surreal. How can you pass a 'what-if' law? This is so insane, there is no way it could stand a court challange. What kind of twisted ideological illness could get legislators to undertake such a bizarre thing?
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| Quote: | | What kind of twisted ideological illness could get legislators to undertake such a bizarre thing? |
Ideology? I'd say it's more pandering -- to fundamentalist whack-os. Because those fundamentalist cranks sure do get out and vote, after all.
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This is quite weird. Abortion is rated as bad as heresy, apostasy, and schisms by the catholics in Malta. Those are really nasty sins but if you hurry, God (or a priest if you can't find Him) will forgive you, but only before Easter.
From this website: http://www.maltastar.com/pages/msFullArt.asp?an=10876 |
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So Catholics think abortion is very bad. You find that weird?
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| JPG wrote: | | So Catholics think abortion is very bad. You find that weird? |
No but it's the other sins that the church put them in - what kind of category is that and murder is not even included? |
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Oh ya, it's a weird cateogry. I can understand if they categorize it with murder, but the others refer to rejection and destruction of the religion.
It might have more to do with politics then. Murder is already illegal, so they feel no need to lash out at it. Abortion is legal with, I believe, no restrictions in Malta, so they felt the need to rate it very badly in the survey.
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Some good news for a change! Portugal has just ratified a law allowing abortion (up to 10 weeks). The President is hedging a bit about wanting it to be seen as a last resort, but it's now legal.
| Quote: | Portugal's president today ratified a new law permitting abortion until the 10th week of pregnancy, bringing the country into line with most of its European neighbours.
However, Anibal Cavaco Silva also recommended that parliament, which passed the law last month after a national referendum, take further measures to ensure abortions are a last resort.
... The old law was among the most restrictive in Europe. It allowed the procedure in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy only if a mother's health was at risk; in cases of rape, a termination was permitted up to and including the 16th week.
The government hopes the new law will put an end to dangerous illegal abortions. Women's rights groups say about 10,000 women in Portugal need hospital treatment every year with complications arising from botched procedures.
The new law will set no restrictions on women seeking to end their pregnancies up to the 10th week, though it does require a mandatory three-day reflection period before an abortion is performed. |
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Good news! 
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George Bush has written a warning letter to Nancy Pelosi about opening up anything to do with liberalising abortion access or stem cell research.
| Quote: | In a letter to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), President Bush made clear his intent to veto any legislation that would improve access to abortion or support stem cell research. "I am concerned that this year Congress may consider legislation that could substantially change federal policies and laws on abortion, and allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life," Bush wrote, according to the Washington Times. "I will veto any legislation that weakens current federal policies and laws on abortion, or that encourages the destruction of human life at any stage."
Bush's letter, which comes as the House begins the appropriations process for the 2008 fiscal year, is seen as an attempt by some to discourage Democrats from adding abortion-rights and family planning provisions to spending bills, Kaiser Daily Women's Health Policy reports. The move was likely encouraged by Congressional Republicans. Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) and 33 other senators sent a letter to Bush in February, asking him to uphold anti-choice legislation, the Washington Times reports. In the House, 130 Republicans sent a similar letter to Bush at the end of March. |
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And while this is not surprising, it's distressing ... Rudy Giuliani is the only Republican candidate who thinks it would would be "OK" if Roe v Wade was upheld. But he's totally wishy-washy about it.
| Quote: | Alone among 10 Republican presidential contenders, Rudy Giuliani said in campaign debate Thursday night "it would be OK" if the Supreme Court upholds a 1973 landmark abortion rights ruling. "It would be OK to repeal it. It would be OK also if a strict constructionist viewed it as precedent," said the former New York city mayor, who has a record of supporting abortion rights.
In a party that draws strength from anti-abortion voters, Giuliani's nine GOP rivals agreed that it would be a great day if the court overturns the landmark ruling.
"Glorious day of human liberty and freedom," enthused Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney acknowledged he had changed his mind on the subject when he began to delve into the issue of cloning. He said his position had once effectively been "pro-choice."
But Giuliani, who said he personally hates abortion, hedged when asked about his current position.
"I think the Court has to make that decision and then the country can deal with it," he said. "... The states could then make their own decisions."
Alone among the top three contenders, Arizona Sen. John McCain has a career-long record of opposition to abortion. |
And while we're at it, three of the ten of them don't actually believe in evolution. For fuck's sakes.
| Quote: | | The field split on another issue, with Brownback, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo raising their hands when moderator Chris Matthews asked who did not believe in evolution. |
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| Tehanu wrote: | | And while we're at it, three of the ten of them don't actually believe in evolution. For fuck's sakes. |
A rather notorious evolutionary biologist (and personal friend) by the name of Massimo Pigliucci, who occasionally debates (and devastates) 'intelligent design' proponents, has written a book called Denying Evolution. He is trying to get the term "evolution deniers", a la "Holocaust deniers", into the vernacular to refer to these idiots. I think the comparison is appropriate -- people who deny something for which there is overwhelming evidence, because the facts throw a wrench in their particular agendas. Evolution is a fact. It has been researched overwhelmingly and is the fundamental principle underlying the biological sciences. Forget all the hooplah about climate change science -- the evidence for the "theory" of evolution is, at this point, probably stronger than the evidence for the "theory" of gravity.
So, please, EnMassers, help spread the meme -- call these people what they are. Evolution deniers. (They've certainly had no trouble referring to non-theists as "deniers of the existence of God" all these years.)
And yes, to try and stay on topic, it is horrifying that there are three evolution deniers openly proclaiming their views on the stage.
As far as Giuliani's equivocation on the right to choose goes, I think Giuliani is simply playing the primary game -- it's going to be difficult enough for him to win the GOP nomination without a strong pro-choice stand. Like "I support the troops but am against the war", "I hate abortion but think it should be legal" has become the minimum acceptable position.  We can witness the same thing on the other side of the aisle, where Democrats who voted for the war are suddenly interested in getting out, and where poverty and health care are once again fashionable topics of discussion.
Please note that I am not trying to excuse Giuliani. The fact that I don't believe he genuinely wants to restrict access to abortion just serves as further proof that he's a lying sack of shit willing to use the rights of women as a political pawn. (Sound familiar?) |
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In the United States, some pretty appalling statistics around reproductive freedom and class are emerging. Since 1994 unplanned pregnancies have declined 20% among higher-income women, and increased 29% among lower-income women. Poor women are four times more likely to have an unplanned pregnancy.
| Quote: | ... Rather than tackling the underlying problem of unintended pregnancies, conservative policymakers are taking a punitive approach: restricting access to abortion services. With the exception of the ban on federal funding for abortion services for poor women, restrictions such as waiting periods and parental consent or notifications laws have not been found to have a significant impact on the number of abortions. What is clear is that such restrictions force women seeking abortion, especially those who are most vulnerable, to have them later in pregnancy, when they are riskier. Lower-income women take up to three weeks longer than better-off women to obtain an abortion.
... Specifically, policymakers should:
* Restore public funding for abortion for low-income women.
* Repeal restrictions that serve to delay abortions and increase the health risk to women.
* Protect women’s right to give informed consent to abortion based on unbiased, medically accurate information.
* Guarantee comprehensive sex education for young people that teaches both the benefits of delaying intercourse and the importance of using contraceptives.
* Ensure public and private insurance coverage of contraceptives.
* Ensure convenient access to contraceptive services and supplies. |
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Did you hear about this one?
| Quote: | The Alabama Department of Homeland Security has taken down a Web site it operated that included gay rights and anti-war organizations in a list of groups that could include terrorists.
The Web site identified different types of terrorists, and included a list of groups it believed could spawn terrorists. The list also included environmentalists, animal rights advocates and abortion opponents.
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Birmingham attorney Eric Johnston, president of the Alabama Pro Life Coalition, said he was concerned about any list that described people doing social justice work as terrorists.
"Our group's main mission is educational. The thought that we would somehow be harboring terrorists escapes me," he said. |
Well, last I heard, it wasn't any pro-choice people who were running websites with lists of anti-abortionists with their home addresses and "x"-es across the faces of the ones who were dead...
Mind you, I haven't heard of any gay groups, anti-war organizations, environmentalists, or animal rights advocates doing that, either. Just the wingnut anti-abortion crowd...
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Lovely. 
ETA: Over on this thread we started looking at linkages between several ways different governors/states were infringing on people's rights and protections. Wikipedia has some interesting maps outlining some different indicators around abortion access in different states. They include parental notification about a minor seeking an abortion, waiting period before an abortion can be obtained, and so-called "informed consent" (a.k.a. mandatory counselling). Informed consent/mandatory counselling can include gems such as fetal development, medical risks of abortion/continued pregnancy, mental risks of abortion, abortion alternatives, nature of type of abortion to be performed, breast cancer listed as a risk, availability of ultrasound, and fetal pain. Some of which are out and out lies (breast cancer risk and fetal pain, and WTF is mental risk?). |
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Some good news ... Oregon's governor has signed a bill which compels private health insurance to cover birth control prescriptions, and makes hospitals provide women who've been sexually assaulted with emergency contraception. This has been blocked by Oregon's legislative Republicans since the 1990s.
| Quote: | ... The bill was introduced to the Oregon legislature in the early 1990s, but Republicans have blocked its passage in the House since then. The Democrats gained control of the House in November 2006 and, with a majority in the Senate, recently passed the legislation.
"This fight is fundamentally about women being able to make the best health care decisions for themselves and their families," Governor Kulongoski said at the signing ceremony. "Today, with the signing of this bill into law, we continue our ongoing work to expand personal freedom and offer women full equality in our society." |
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And some bad news. A Tennessee Republican, not satisfied that Planned Parenthood funding is not allowed to go to paying for abortions, wants to strip away any other funding the group gets.
| Quote: | A state senator says Planned Parenthood's support of abortion should prevent it from receiving state money for any other health services, such as testing for sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy tests.
As the legislative session comes to a close, Sen. Diane Black, a Gallatin Republican, is trying to reopen a committee that has shut down for the year so she can amend the Bredesen administration's appropriations bill and strip funding to Planned Parenthood of Middle and East Tennessee and Memphis Regional Planned Parenthood.
None of the funding that Planned Parenthood receives from the state can be used for abortions, but it does help subsidize birth control and other reproductive health care.
... "Planned Parenthood has a basic mission for abortion, and I would like to take a look at other organizations that don't have that as their main mission," said Black, adding that she's talked with the Senate's General Welfare committee chairman and hopes to have it reopened as early as today. |
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James Kopp, who was convicted of the murder of Dr. Barnett Slepian, has been sentenced to a life term plus ten years for violating a federal law on access to clinic entrances and using a firearm. He's also the main suspect in several attempted murders of several Canadian doctors.
| Quote: | | Anti-abortion extremist James Kopp was sentenced yesterday to a life term plus 10 years in prison by a federal judge. Kopp, who had already been convicted in a state court in 2003 of assassinating Dr. Barnett A. Slepian, an abortion provider, was found guilty of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act (PDF), which the Feminist Majority helped pass. Kopp's violation of the FACE Act drew the life term; the additional 10 years were for using a firearm in a crime of violence. |
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The United States Supreme court, continuing with its 5-4 rulings, handed down a number of rulings that aren't going to do much for women, which promote side-stepping elections finance reform, such as it is, and which further erode the separation between church and state. I've included the two most closely related to women's rights:
| Quote: | ... "The Bush-stacked Supreme Court, led by Justice Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts, is doing exactly what they were appointed to do," Feminist Majority President Eleanor Smeal said. "They are rolling back the clock on women's rights and promoting a pro-big business, pro-religious right agenda."
In the first case, the Court ruled 5-4 that an anti-abortion group's television ads, which encouraged voters to contact Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) while he was up for re-election, were not in violation of campaign finance rules. In 2002, campaign finance rules were revised to ban corporations and unions from running "issue ads" that included the names of candidates for federal office within 60 days of a general election and within 30 days of a primary or caucus. Republicans and business interests have been leading the effort to challenge these rules. Chief Justice Roberts, who wrote the decision for the majority, said that an advertiser's intention to impact an election is not important, as long as they can show that it is a legitimate issue ad. "This is a big win for big money," Mary Wilson, president of the League of Women Voters, said. "Chief Justice Roberts has reopened the door to corruption.
The Supreme Court also ruled that tax-paying citizens do not have standing to challenge President Bush's faith-based initiative program. The Freedom From Religion Foundation led a lawsuit, objecting to speeches at government conferences in which administration officials encourage religious charities to apply for federal funding. The plaintiffs argued that the spending of federal money to promote and aid church groups violated the separation of church and state. Despite a 1968 Supreme Court ruling that said that taxpayers could challenge the government for spending money on religion, the current Supreme Court threw out the case for lack of standing. |
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The governor of New Hampshire has repealed a parental notification law. Good. Baby steps, a bit wishy-washy regarding the reason, but good.
| Quote: | ... The 2003 law never took effect because of a court challenge, and the repeal took effect immediately.
... [Governor John] Lynch cited the law's lack of a provision regarding the pregnant minor's health, agreeing with the judge who ruled the law unconstitutional in 2003.
New Hampshire is the first state to repeal a parental notice law, according to Dawn Touzin of Planned Parenthood of Northern New England. Washington state removed a parental consent law in 1991.
Forty-four states have laws requiring parental notification or consent for a minor seeking an abortion. Nine laws, including New Hampshire's, were unenforceable, according to NARAL Pro-Choice America, which filed a brief supporting the lawsuit brought by Planned Parenthood. |
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Fuck, women have to wait six weeks in OTTAWA to get an abortion this summer, and it's expected again, this winter. The only silver lining to this is that unlike New Brunswick, PEI, Nunavut or most of rural Canada, this actually made the Globe. So maybe, just maybe, people will start paying attention to the erosion of abortion access in this country ...
| Quote: | There's a place in North America where women have to wait for weeks to get an abortion because of lack of funding for nurses, doctors and operating rooms.
This place is not some conservative U.S. state or a remote corner of Canada's far north.
It's Ottawa.
Wait times for abortions in Ottawa stretched to six weeks this summer and are expected to do so again this winter.
... Forcing women to wait weeks for an abortion, advocates say, puts their health at risk.
The longer a woman is pregnant, the more risky and complicated her abortion will be.
... The long wait for abortion services in Ottawa is one symptom, advocates say, of how the pro-choice movement in Canada has lost steam since the decriminalization of abortion in 1988.
... Nationally, only about one in six hospitals does abortions, according to a 2007 survey of all 791 public hospitals in Canada: That's 15.9 per cent, down from 17.8 per cent in 2003.
... The push to reduce wait times overall has actually made things worse, experts say, because the province's priority areas, such as joint replacement and eye surgery, take operating room time away from everything else, including abortion.
... Women who need abortions are reluctant to speak out publicly, and few people are willing to stand up for a silent, stigmatized constituency.
"They know women will never complain," Ms. Wright says. "Not about this." |
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| Tehanu wrote: | | So maybe, just maybe, people will start paying attention to the erosion of abortion access in this country ... |
Maybe my research skills are crappy, but when I was looking up abortion info for the NB NDP thread, I noticed that the latest abortion stats are for 2004. It seems that StatsCan releases the reports in March, 3 years later. Anyone know the reason for the delay? A quick scan of reports on other random topics shows 2006 census data being compiled into 2007 reports, so what's the delay in compiling abortion stats?
I had been searching for more up-to-date info because of the NB hospital abortion issue in 2006. What effect did that have, if any, on reducing the total number of abortions performed, and how many ended up at the Morgentaler clinic? What's bizarre is that the information seems to be in the public domain - the link above is a 2006 article and it mentions the number of hospital abortions performed in the previous year, and I've seen a couple of references to approximately how many abortions the clinic has done in the previous year. But really, we won't have a complete, official picture of any erosion of abortion access in 2006 until 2009. By which time, I suspect, nobody will get too worked up over it, no matter what the numbers are. |
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Some good news, although it's pretty damn scary. The Florida Senate had a tie vote on a bill requiring a mandatory ultrasound for women (that they would have to pay for) who were seeking an abortion. Which meant that the bill failed. Which is the good news. Bad news is that it came that close.
| Quote: | Senators on Wednesday were so torn over a bill requiring ultrasounds before all Florida abortions that they cast a tie vote - 20 for it and 20 against - causing the measure to fail.
The vote came after sharp and eloquent debate that illuminated the passion on both sides, an oratorical climax after days of vote-counting, behind-the-scenes lobbying and speculation over how the razor-thin vote would pan out.
... The bill also would have required women to either watch the images or sign a form saying they didn't want to.
... Ultrasounds are required now for abortions in the second and third trimesters, but 90 percent of abortions are done in the first. |
Palm Beach Post.
The article includes quotes from both the pro and con sides. Worth reading. Quite illuminating, in fact. |
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Note that the bill would have required them to sign a form if they didn't want to see the ultrasound.
But this isn't unique to Florida. As seen upthread, South Carolina already requires an ultrasound although a bill was dropped last year that would require women to view it. Alabama and Louisiana also have compulsory ultrasounds which the woman must be offered an opportunity to see. Arizona and Florida require an ultrasound after the first trimester and the woman must be offered the opportunity to see it. Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho and Michigan require that if an ultrasound is performed as preparation for an abortion the woman must be offered the opportunity to see it. (From here).
Nice, eh? |
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| Quote: | | Note that the bill would have required them to sign a form if they didn't want to see the ultrasound. |
Proposed Florida Ultrasound Consent Form
The State of Florida requires that all wicked people seeking abortions view an ultrasound of the precious life they are about to exterminate since abortion is in contravention of God's will. Alternatively, sign the waiver demonstrating your willful ignorance below.
I choose to waive the right to view this ultrasound.
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Oho. According to StatsCan, teen pregnancies are down, abortions are down, seems that having legal access to abortion and (hopefully) decent sex education reduces unwanted pregnancies, which is something we'd all like to see, right? Right? Especially compared to the USA where things like teen pregnancies are on the increase?
What's that echoing noise? Oh, it's the fundies. Not rejoicing. You should be, but somehow I doubt you will. Because this gives the lie to your asshole claims.
| Quote: | Canadian women obtained fewer abortions in 2005 compared with the previous year, and the decline occurred mostly among women under 20 years of age.
Statistics Canada reports a total of 96,815 abortions were performed on Canadian women in 2005, down 3.2 per cent from 100,039 in 2004.
... The largest decline in rates occurred among teenagers, to 13 for every 1,000 in 2005 from 13.8 in 2004.
... There were 18.6 live births for every 1,000 women under 20 in 1996. By 2005, this had dropped to 11.1. |
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Ha. From the Department of Obvious, a study has concluded that there is NO reputable evidence that having an abortion causes "post-abortion syndrome" or any negative mental health effects, and that anybody trying to say this appears to be "politically motivated." Yup.
| Quote: | No high-quality study done to date can document that having an abortion causes psychological distress, or a "post-abortion syndrome," and efforts to show it does occur appear to be politically motivated, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.
A team at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore reviewed 21 studies involving more than 150,000 women and found the high-quality studies showed no significant differences in long-term mental health between women who choose to abort a pregnancy and others.
... "Based on the best available evidence, emotional harm should not be a factor in abortion policy. If the goal is to help women, program and policy decisions should not distort science to advance political agendas," added Vignetta Charles, a researcher and doctoral student at Johns Hopkins who worked on the study.
... "...studies with the most flawed methodology consistently found negative mental health consequences of abortion," they added. "Scientists are still conducting research to answer politically motivated questions." |
MSNBC via Feministing. |
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