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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Canadian soldier body count: Afghanistan Reply with quote

I think it's time for this thread. Let's keep it to Canadian casualties ... just because I think it's good to have a running tally. How many are going to be killed before the level of outrage gets high enough, at this undeclared war (media is now scattered with references to "the enemy"), to get Canadian troops out of there?

Total number of Canadian soldiers killed to date since Afghan mission began: 31
Source: Wikipedia, but other sources say 30


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Four Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Four Canadian soldiers died and several others were injured Sunday when Taliban insurgents fiercely resisted a Canadian ground assault near a key river valley that cuts a green ribbon through this desert area west of Kandahar city.

It was one of the bloodiest battles for the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan since 2002.

The Canadians launched their attack using light armoured vehicles in the early morning after NATO forces had pounded enemy positions for more than 24 hours with helicopter gunships, artillery and bombs.

... NATO officials maintained the operation was a success, taking out key Taliban command and control facilities. The alliance estimates it has killed 200 Taliban militants and captured 80, and says local residents reported that about 180 insurgents had fled the scene.

But it came at a cost.

"I am saddened to announce that four Canadian soldiers were killed during today's operations, and a number of others were wounded," Canadian Brig.-Gen. David Fraser said in a briefing with reporters in Afghanistan.

"All but one of the wounded is expected to resume their duties within the next few days."



... "Reports indicate that more than 200 Taliban fighters have been killed since Operation Medusa began early Saturday morning," said a NATO statement.

... Canada has about 2,200 troops involved in operations in Kandahar province of southern Afghanistan. Most of the combat units among the Canadian contingent are involved in Operation Medusa, whose goal is to gain control of Panjwaii.

Coalition troops have fought several battles to take and retake the Panjwaii area in recent months. Before Sunday's casualties, at least six Canadians died and 32 were wounded in dozens of bomb attacks and ambushes.

In June, Canadian commanders declared they had taken the area from the Taliban in the so-called "Battle of Panjwaii." Within weeks, however, the area was back under Taliban control and Canadians were attacked several times a week.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make that 32. A soldier was killed today by NATO friendly fire. Thread about this here. (Just keeping this thread updated).
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus the four that were killed on September 18; another Canadian soldier was killed today by stepping on a boobytrapped bomb.

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KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — A Canadian soldier is dead after stepping on a booby trap today and triggering an explosion while on foot patrol.

The soldier of the First Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment, died around 1 p.m. in Panjwaii, the scene of recent fighting and bombings west of Kandahar city.

... The explosion comes near the end of Canada’s deadliest month in Afghanistan. Ten Canadian soldiers have died in September.

In all, 37 Canadian soldiers and one diplomat have died on the mission to Afghanistan since 2002.

... Four soldiers died while on foot patrol in the same area Sept. 18.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh. I remember the innocent old days when a dead Canadian soldier deserved a thread of his/her own...

Looks as if "policy" killed this one:

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Speaking from Kabul, NATO spokesman Mark Laity told CBC Newsworld soldiers know it is dangerous to get out of the armoured vehicles, but believe it is necessary if they want to win the "hearts and minds" of Afghans.

"These are soldiers. They understand they have to take these risks," he said.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think this one is Canadian? A pattern seems to be emerging.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you think this one is Canadian? A pattern seems to be emerging.

NATO soldier killed in Afghan South




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Cdn soldier killed by roadside bomb

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (CP) - A 40th Canadian soldier has died in Afghanistan.

Military officials say the soldier was on a pre-dawn patrol in the Panjwaii district of southern Afghanistan on Saturday when his armoured vehicle either struck a mine or was hit by a roadside bomb.

The explosion penetrated the vehicle and the soldier later died from his injuries.



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two more Canadian soldiers were killed yesterday, as Harper heads off to NATO to ask for more support.

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The two Canadian soldiers killed on Monday in a suicide bomb attack in southern Afghanistan are Cpl. Albert Storm and Chief Warrant Officer Robert Girouard, the Canadian military says.

Their identities were released the same day a similar attack, also in the volatile province of Kandahar, was reported to have injured another Canadian soldier.

... Storm and Girouard died when a suicide car bomber drove his vehicle into a convoy of military vehicles on the outskirts of Kandahar in the Panjwaii district early Monday and detonated explosives. They were travelling in a Bison, an eight-wheeled armoured vehicle.

... Forty-four Canadian soldiers have now died in Afghanistan since troops arrived in April 2002. Canada has more than 2,000 soldiers in the troubled country, with the majority stationed in Kandahar.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six Canadian soldiers killed in a roadside bombing.

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VERLINGHEM, France – Prime Minister Stephen Harper confirmed six Canadian soldiers were killed in Afghanistan and several others injured in a roadside bombing Sunday that marks one of Canada’s worst days in the war-torn country.

The prime minister confirmed the sad news to a room full of military officers, veterans and VIPs at a dinner meant to honour the 90th anniversary of the Vimy Ridge battle.

... A noticible hush fell over the crowd, most who have military ties, with Harper’s confirmation of the rumours that had been circulating for almost an hour beforehand. Among those in the audience were Gen. Rick Hillier, Chief of Defence staff, who sat stone-faced as the news was delivered.

The explosion west of Kandahar city also caused serious but non-life-threatening injuries to one Canadian soldier and light injuries to another, said Col. Mike Cessford, deputy commander of Task Force Afghanistan.

... Sunday’s toll brings the total number of Canadians killed in Afghanistan since 2002 to 51.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBCnews:

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..."Certainly it lends itself to the type of tactic that Taleban extremists use," Lt Col Angela Billings said.
"Because they cannot beat us conventionally or tactically, they resort to this type of tactic in order to hide in the shadows."...


Well, I would think so. It wasn't too long ago that it was reported that, in a combined air and ground attack, 500 "insurgents" were killed with the attackers suffering one minor injury.

One can picture it. A village reported to contain Taleban and supporters is pulverized from the air as the ground forces "hide in the shadows" in the perimeter, picking off any who manage to escape the bombardment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6537545.stm
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Breaking: Two more Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan Reply with quote

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Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three were injured in two separate roadside bombings in Afghanistan on Wednesday, the military has confirmed.

The attacks happened within hours of each other, in locations less than one kilometre apart, said Col. Mike Cessford of the Canadian Armed Forces said.

The names of the injured and dead were not released immediately, as the soldiers' families had not yet been notified.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted this last month:

http://enmasse.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?p=103358&highlight=#1033...

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Jack talks too much about Afghanistan. No matter what the polls say about public opinion, Afghanistan is not going to win a significant amount of votes.


Depends on when the election is held and what CF casualties are during the campaign. I imagine that had there been an election during the escalation in violence last spring and summer, it would have been a huge issue (both the "pro" and "con" sides would have made it central to their campaigns.) The public however have short memories. What happened was that with the onset of winter, the fighting died down and the public turned to more pressing issues - like Britney shaving her head and Tom & Katie's supposed marital troubles.

However, with both NATO commanders as well as Resistance leaders both predicting a renewal of heavy fighting this spring and summer , we could see a return of Afghanistan to front page news. If there is a spring or summer election, this could be THE big issue!


This is going to be a repeat of last spring and summer. Now, the big question is: Will Canadians finally listen to those of us who have always said this war was wrong, or will they fall for Harpoon's "Support the troops" propaganda?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is as good a place as any...
"Doris" Day gives it up for the Taliban (all emphasis mine)
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By Stockwell Day is the member of Parliament for Okanagan Coqu
Apr 11 2007

Machine gun barrels close to my head didn’t detract from the fact that sunrise in Kandahar felt a bit like sunrise right here in the constituency.

Being on the far side of the planet in Afghanistan, my body’s ‘awake’ system kicked in fully at 3 a.m.

I rolled out of my bunk and padded quietly out of the old cement barracks into the dim lighting of the gravel yard.

For security reasons I can’t give you a lot of detail about the Canadian Forces camp out there on the outskirts of the ancient city of Kandahar.

<snip>

The full moon was lighting up the desert floor and the lookout towers on the walls at each corner of the large compound were casting long shadows across the camp.

I could make out the silent silhouettes of two guards in each turret.

Yup, way to keep the details down there, Stocky me boy...

more at link.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and, a h/t to The Galloping Beaver for explaining why Stockwell's little letter home is so very wrong. My god... Doris is an idiot.
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That, Mr. Day, is known as a disclosure of "Essential Elements of Friendly Information" (EEFI) and is a communications security breach. Where I come from, that gets you a nasty little rebuke called a BEADWINDOW, as described in the current version of Allied Communications Publication, ACP 124(D), paragraph 103. From the EEFI list:

Friendly or enemy capabilities or limitations.

No, it's not a significant breach, but given Day's role, he shouldn't be saying anything at all. And every little bit of information gets swallowed up by the opposition. To suggest otherwise is to have lax communications security awareness.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diane Demorney wrote:
My god... Doris is an idiot.


Any idea why he keeps getting re-elected?
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No idea... my best guess? He's "pretty"... Other than that ::Shrug::
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More blood on Harpers Hands and every MP that voted to extend this "mission". This is not our battle, but being good neighbours we helped out and then the US decided to spend their resources in Iraq instead of finishing the job they started in Afghanistan. We should leave immediately.

Face it, if America was serious about "getting" the Taliban or Bin Laden they would of finished the job, not leaving it to become another Vietnam, where they have no hope in hell of winning.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Face it, if America was serious about "getting" the Taliban or Bin Laden they would of finished the job, not leaving it to become another Vietnam, where they have no hope in hell of winning.


The Indian government is making plans for a post-NATO Afghanistan; I suspect Pakistan is too. They are fully aware that NATO won't be there forever.
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The Indian government is making plans for a post-NATO Afghanistan; I suspect Pakistan is too. They are fully aware that NATO won't be there forever.


No doubt, if fact I would argue that as the nation which created and financed the Taliban in the first place, Pakistan has been aware of this from day one. Eric Margolis claimed on CBC Sunday that sources in both Indian and Pakistani military intelligence (as well the Indian PMO) told him that Karzai was toast. If any officials in Karzai's puppet government have at least half a brain, they too are already making plans for a post NATO Afghanistan (including maybe cutting a deal with the resistance). As for Karzai himself, he should be looking for a "vacation home" in Switzerland pretty soon. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby Fourre wrote:
They are fully aware that NATO won't be there forever.


I think everyone but Stevie Harpoon, Little Boots and Blair are fully aware that NATO won't be in Afghanistan forever.
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The Indian government is making plans for a post-NATO Afghanistan; I suspect Pakistan is too. They are fully aware that NATO won't be there forever.


No doubt, if fact I would argue that as the nation which created and financed the Taliban in the first place, Pakistan has been aware of this from day one.


I believe the CIA and Saudi princes played a large hand in the Talibanization of Pakistan and Afghanistan in the 1980's as well. And British SAS continued training KLA and mujahideen leading up to the Balkan crises.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another death, this one seems to have been an accident:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/04/18/soldier-death.html

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A Canadian soldier was killed in Afghanistan Wednesday when he fell while climbing a communications tower.

Colonel Mike Cessford said the soldier, who was a member of Canada's special forces, was not working as part of an ongoing operation at the time of the fall in Kandahar.

The soldier's death is being described as "non-combat" related.

The family has requested the soldier's name not be released until other relatives have been notified.

Canada's special forces usually operate under extreme secrecy.


So this makes 54.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should have been more careful.
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Geez, unionist, that's cold. Do you say that about every worker who is killed or maimed doing their job? Just because you don't happen to like this particular person's job, doesn't mean you should be so cruel when he died in an accident.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diane Demorney wrote:
Geez, unionist, that's cold. Do you say that about every worker who is killed or maimed doing their job? Just because you don't happen to like this particular person's job, doesn't mean you should be so cruel when he died in an accident.


I'm sorry, Diane. It was a poor attempt at satire. I'm a trade unionist (as you may have guessed). Every time a worker gets injured or killed on the job, and I've had my fill of both, some employer or his agent says, or thinks, or hints: "S/he should have been more careful." It was a failed attempt at bitter irony, because like it or not, we're the bosses - they're there on "our" behalf. I just wish we could exercise our management rights and pull them out before too many more Canadians and Afghans pay the price of "our" folly.

I retract that comment.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unionist... well, at this point, in all the time we've had troops in Afghanistan, we've lost as many as get killed in the logging industry in B.C. in one year.

The responses seem skewed to me. If one cop gets killed while doing his job the TV coverage is huge, the funeral is enormous, cops fly in for the funeral from all over NA; it would bring a tear to almost any eye.

Our troops get killed, there is a brief mention on TV and maybe a clip of a coffin being loaded into the belly of a transport plane.

A logger gets killed and who notices?

But they were all doing their job.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby Fourre wrote:
Diane Demorney wrote:
My god... Doris is an idiot.


Any idea why he keeps getting re-elected?


Isn't he in one of those ridings where you could run a gopher as the right wing candidate and it would be elected?
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Oooh; anti Prairieism!

I heard the Socreds had a Sockeye salmon as an MLA in the Wacky Bennett government.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't Doris a BC MP now?
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Yeah, well, sockeye only live four years, y'know...
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Oooh; anti Prairieism!

I heard the Socreds had a Sockeye salmon as an MLA in the Wacky Bennett government.


That's nothing. The BC Liberals have a Sockeye salmon as a premier!
At least, he's got the sort of dead, fishy eyes and the coldbloodedness. Add a rug and a makeup job . . .
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The sockeye are dead in the rivers
The sockeye are dead in the sea
Killed by the crap and pollution
That pours from the pulp industry

don't swim don't swim
remember the salmon and cod, poor cod
the sea isn't safe you see
since industry stole it from God........


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That's nothing. The BC Liberals have a Sockeye salmon as a premier!
At least, he's got the sort of dead, fishy eyes and the coldbloodedness. Add a rug and a makeup job . . .


Shocked According to Lovecraft, that's the so-called "Innsmouth look", is BC's premier a follower of the Great Cthulu? Shocked

You folks out West are in a lot worse trouble than I imagined.
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There's every chance Gordo thinks he IS the Great Cthulu.
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anne cameron wrote:
The sockeye are dead in the rivers
The sockeye are dead in the sea
Killed by the crap and pollution
That pours from the pulp industry

don't swim don't swim
remember the salmon and cod, poor cod
the sea isn't safe you see
since industry stole it from God........


lyrics courtesy The Tahsis Bloody Awful Band


I remember reading something very similar in a Mad magazine one time.
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I'd love to see what MAD did with it!!!

Be nice if they'd do it again....
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Well, we just had our first soldier K.I.A. in Afghanistan last week. We'd already suffered three deaths before, but they were accidents, not directly related to combat.

The first statement of our government was that they were "shocked by the event", which makes them either very naive or very hypocritical...

I mean, there's continuous fighting over there, it's a war zone. If you say you're shocked as a government, you either didn't think the entire mission through thoroughly or you're just full of Bullshit and don't mean a word you say.

But hey, who am I to pass judgement on those sanctimonious asses over here in The Hague..? Eh?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They really said they were shocked? They really thought they could send soldiers over there to occupy and oppress a country with the single best record of resisting occupation in the entire world and not have any of them die?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TS. wrote:
They really said they were shocked? They really thought they could send soldiers over there to occupy and oppress a country with the single best record of resisting occupation in the entire world and not have any of them die?


Yep, that's my gullible government for ya..!

Another nice issue: The PvdA (Labour) have always been questioning the intelligence on which we decided to participate in Iraq. They were the ones who opposed to sending troops the hardest, together with the Socialist Party.

Now the PvdA is in the government. When a couple of months ago a motion was pending on whether an investigation should be launched to find out whether mistakes had been made or foul play had been at work, the PvdA sold out and didn't support that motion. Even though they had been screaming for it when they were still in the opposition. Because of their lack of support, the motion was denied and no investigation was launched...

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two more casualties today, one KIA and one wounded:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/afghan_cda_killed

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Canadian soldier killed in massive offensive in Afghanistan
Fri May 25, 12:06 PM



KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (CP) - A Canadian soldier was killed Friday when an improvised explosive device detonated during a foot patrol in Afghanistan's volatile Zhari district.

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One other soldier suffered non-life-threatening injuries and an Afghan interpreter was also wounded, said Col. Mike Cessford, deputy commander of Joint Task Force Afghanistan.


He said the wounded soldier was in stable condition after being taken by helicopter to the Canadian-led multinational hospital at Kandahar Airfield.


The interpreter remained in the field.


The dead soldier, whose identity was being withheld at the request of the family, was the 55th Canadian serviceman to die in Afghanistan.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just updating this thread. The body count has risen to 57 Cdn. soldiers killed in Afghanistan. Another roadside bomb. Condolences to the family and freinds. Sad
When will we reverse this stupid policy blunder and get the hell out of Afghanistan?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on. If we pull out, all those deaths would have been for nothing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if we stay until Doomsday those deaths will have been for nothing.

The longer we stay , the more who will die.

Win "the hearts and minds" ? Not a chance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

al-Q, if you're using sarcasm perhaps an emoticon would be appropriate, no?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red T shirt wrote:
Just updating this thread. The body count has risen to 57 Cdn. soldiers killed in Afghanistan. Another roadside bomb. Condolences to the family and freinds. Sad
When will we reverse this stupid policy blunder and get the hell out of Afghanistan?


RTS

Thanks.

What a tragedy this is for everyone except the military industrial complex.

We have to keep saying what you said over and over until we are outta d'ere.

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Red T shirt wrote:
al-Q, if you're using sarcasm perhaps an emoticon would be appropriate, no?


Why? You recognised the sarcasm. Besides, emoticons are for @#$%*&s.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatdja call me Question Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More info on the latest incident ... the Afghan interpreter was also killed.

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Six Canadian soldiers and an Afghan interpreter were killed Wednesday when their armoured vehicle struck a roadside bomb on a well-used road in southern Afghanistan, military officials said.

The armoured RG-31 Nyala struck an improvised explosive device in the Panjwaii district, about 20 kilometres southwest of the city of Kandahar, Brig.-Gen. Tim Grant told a sombre news conference.

... The blast happened as soldiers were returning to their forward operating base after conducting a joint operation with the Afghan National Army, said Grant.

They had just completed a "cordon and search operation" of an Afghan village based on intelligence reports Taliban fighters were in the area, said Grant.

They were travelling in a convoy of about a dozen vehicles when their vehicle struck the bomb at about 11 a.m. local time.

... With the latest casualties, 66 Canadian soldiers and one diplomat have been killed in Afghanistan since the mission started in 2002.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twhanu

Thanks for adding that bit about the Afghan interpreter.

This is indeed a large number of casualties all at once - I wonder if it will be the straw that break's Harper's back. Hopefully Canadians will be sending the Cons a loud and clear message during these upcoming by-elections as Jack Layton has suggested we do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leftcoastguy wrote:
I wonder if it will be the straw that break's Harper's back.

Well, that would be appropriate, but six were killed in a single incident last April, and I didn't see a huge amount of straw being piled on Harper, or that it all that effective for making political hay, either!
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